[Year 12 IT Apps] OT: Computer rollover

Fri Aug 10 09:57:55 EST 2007

I tried to use this argument once ... it didn't work ...

:(

Margaret

On Fri, August 10, 2007 9:43 am, Meadows, Roslyn M wrote:
> Personally I don't see the hang up about playing games in the library at
> lunchtime:
> - it is THEIR time
> - they can borrow backgammon, chess or a pack of cards in the library
> and play them at lunchtime, (often with much more noise) so why not a
> computer game from a USB Bar or one they have created? - they are able to
> play games in the gym or on the oval at lunchtime - why not in the
> library?
>
> But still - not allowed in OUR library :(
>
>
> Roslyn Meadows
> Bentleigh Secondary College
> 9579 1044
> 0412 614 062
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Cameron Bell
> Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 9:00 AM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] OT: Computer rollover
>
>
> In the development of new curricula we are finding that the line between
>
>
> personal/private use and "educational' use is getting so blurred as to be
> hopeless to distinguish between them. Sometimes, even what many consider
> the most obvious transgression turns out to be justified. Kids playing
> computer games was a big big issue for some staff in our library
>
> until we pointed out that they had actually created the games and were
> testing them on mates. To appease them we opened up a lab for testing
> games to leave the library free for "traditional" study.  ;) If kids can't
> use school computers for *occasional* private use, then I would feel an
> absolute hypocrite telling them to do school work at home on the home
> computer. Wasting personal download time on study-related materials -
> goodness me.
>
> Cheers
> Cameron
>
>
> Stephen Digby wrote:
>
>> The rationale for internet/ printing charges is also that the purposes
>>
> of use are not necessarily curriculum
>> related and thus to allow open slather is to allow some students to
> use scarce resources for private use
>> rather than educational use. There is even an equity argument to be made
>> for educational use..
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>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
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>> I took a course in speed waiting. Now I can wait an hour in only ten
>>
> minutes.  NOT a Steven Wright joke   Rod
>> Schmidt
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Cameron Bell
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:51 PM
>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] OT: Computer rollover
>>
>>
>> Most schools do actually levy charges for other "addons", particularly
>>
> for practical / elective subjects, so
>> user-pays isn't limited to Internet access. Many of us do now view net
>> access as an essential and indispensable
> part of available educational resources,
>> however this isn't always appreciated by those who haven't taught in
> the net age and now administer. They
>> often only see it as a cost. I / we decided not to charge students for
>> it when it became obvious
> that charging for access was hampering the
>> delivery of the curriculum. Cameron
>>
>>
>>
>> Russell Edwards wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 08/08/2007, at 5:51 PM, Brendyn Hancock wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> My experience has been that recovering $$$ from student internet
>>>> users has only ever been token. Its more that you are teaching them
>>>> responsible use of costly resources than it is a significant
>>>> income.
>>>>
>>> I can see the reasoning behind the above... but on the other hand I
>>> don't see why schools are so fussed about their internet bills, nor why
>>> they advocate a user-pays system for the internet but nothing else.
>>> The internet is more useful than the library in most subjects
>>> other than, perhaps, English. How much does the library cost to run per
>>> year? And, how much does IT support cost per year? People seem to
>
>>> stress out about internet bills < $10k/year. I would have thought in
>>> consideration of the amount spent on library and IT staff, the
>>> Internet would be worth having even at $100k/year. (And no, the
>>> Education Channel doesn't count as "the Internet" in my view.) When
>>> you consider that the staffing costs overall for a school of 1000
>>> pupils must be in the millions of dollars per year, 10k is peanuts!!
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>>
>>> Russell
>>> Whittlesea SC
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