[Year 12 IPM] OT : LAN gaming

Tue Feb 28 19:50:15 EST 2006

Stephen - I totally disagree!
If we carried your hypothesis to its logical conclusion, the only sports
games we would allow on the sport field or in the playground would be
<<"games" that deliver quality educational outcomes>>.
Computing, reading, running, catching, argueing, debating are all
legitimate human activities. Get a life, I say!
To me passion is everything - if people are passionately motivated, you
can climb mountains with them...
Back to you, my friend!
Keith

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:28:59 +1100, "Stephen Digby"
<digby.stephen.p at edumail.vic.gov.au> said:
> Suggest that only "games" that deliver quality educational outcomes be
> allowed in schools - full stop.
> We go out of our way to make the distinction between the legitimate use
> of computers in homes for a variety of purposes (from sexual
> gratification, through entertainment, to business and often some small
> education component) and the special use of computers in
> school for exclusively education purposes.
>  
> Children arrive at school with a sense that the "natural" use of
> computers (and TV !) is entertainment.  Every time we allow this
> within school, we accept that this is true and that educational
> activities are inherently second rate and can only be sustained with
> extrinsic motivators or punishments.
>  
> I have the same opposition to the short-sighted use of videos, 
> entertaining excursion and being "let off" early as rewards for good
> work.
> They all add to the same perception that education is drudgery.  That all
> gain can be achieved without any pain.  That perseverance
> is sometimes regrettably necessary in some subjects (probably because the
> teacher is not much good, or the content is old fashioned)
> etc etc.
>  
> By all means involve students in game analysis and design which will
> involve playing in a disciplined, and reflective manner.  But
> make sure that the games analysed, designed and played have deep
> intellectual content and preferably significant cultural
> significance.
>  
> Students ARE challenged by playing war games - everything from chess,
> through RISK to historical battle simulations.  They can learn
> excellent thinking skills, interpersonal strategies and a great deal of
> history IF the experience is guided by a good teacher (or
> parent).  
>  
> "Fun, amusement, entertainment" are often by products of a well designed
> educational activity - they should never be a core
> objective - even at lunchtime.
>  
> As teachers, we can always invent some jargon filled rationalisation for
> what we often know to be capitulation to a culture of
> "little brain".
> If they are to play LAN games, make it "serious", make it challenging,
> make it  - make it educational.....  Can you do it ?
> Honestly ?  If not, don't.
>  
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> 
> 
> We Trained hard.....but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
> form up into teams, we would be re-organised... I was to
> learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by
> re-organising....and a wonderful method it can be for creating the
> illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and
> demoralisation. Petronius 210 BC 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On
> Behalf Of WEIR Andrew
> Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006 7:15 PM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] OT : LAN gaming
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew 
> Thanks for that we have started to investigate games without a violence
> aspect straight after i sent the email the students involved
> understand the issues with perception of violence.
> 
> Andrew 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Andrew Shortell 
> Sent: Mon 2/27/2006 3:32 PM 
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'MailingList 
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] OT : LAN gaming 
>   
> Andrew, 
> Counter strike is a game that encourages a lot of noise from the 
> participants. (I really mean a lot.)  The game server needs its firewall 
> disabled. The game runs quicker on a dedicated machine. 
> 
> Questions I would ask include: 
> Parental permission ? 
> Encouraging violence? 
> Against the ethos of TC College - religious affiliation etc, biblically 
> inclined parents etc 
> Bad reaction from RE teachers? 
> 
> The fact that it will be almost entirely boys .. this is not a girl 
> friendly environment ... 
> 
> I endured it on Wednesday afternoons last year --- some loved it, some 
> grew bored 
> 
> LAN gaming is big, there must be better ones out there than CS 
> Good luck 
> 
> Andrew Shortell 
> Braemar College 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au] 
> On Behalf Of WEIR Andrew 
> Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006 3:07 PM 
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management 
> Teachers'MailingList 
> Subject: [Year 12 IPM] OT : LAN gaming 
> 
> Apologies for the off topic question 
> 
> Some of my students have expressed interest in wanting to run a lunch 
> time LAN party using the schools network before we rule it out or go 
> ahead with it I wanted to see if any other schools had actually done it 
> and what issues we might face. 
> 
> We have already begun to look at the following aspects; 
> Game Rating and audience. 
> Licenses 
> Installation 
> 
> The students wanted to use Counter strike. There idea is charge a small 
> admission fee and donate the money to charity. 
> 
> Any help or advice would be great. 
> Andrew 
> 
> Andrew Weir 
> Head Of Information Technology 
> VK3HFT 
> Thomas Carr College 
> 35 Thomas Carr College Tarneit 
>   
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