[Year 12 IPM] Proxy avoiding web sites and individual useraccounts

Sun Dec 17 22:14:14 EST 2006

We heavily subsidize our printing and Internet costs.. I think from memory
the school pays for about half or two thirds. We do have a 'cap' on usage
that can be increased upon request and a firm brake on the student usage
speed to share the bandwidth about.

Perhaps by analogy ... each day at our school breakfast club, students can
buy a heavily discounted cup of hot noodles. Any cheaper and they start
having food fights. (it's an ugly sight with 3 min noodles everywhere) "Yes
Oliver, you can have some more. No you don't need a bigger bowel, just ask
for more when you need it."

Regards Roland

On 15/12/06, fiona at balmoralhs.vic.edu.au <fiona at balmoralhs.vic.edu.au>
wrote:
>
> We have never charged for internet access and I would like to not
> introduce it.  I might present your response to the financial people
> concerned.  Our problem has been with the increase in download 128k to 2mb
> within a week. The bill has more than tripled.  I have been pushing to bring
> in a variety of changes especially when it comes to monitoring what the
> students are accessing, getting the staff to select in advance, what sites
> they want the students to go to and setting question relating to the site
> etc etc. but for a little school, the jump from $2500 per annum to almost
> $8000 per annum is just too too much for admin to handle
> Fiona Bain
>
>
> Cameron Bell <bell.cameron.p at edumail.vic.gov.au> on Thu, 14 Dec 2006
> 12:56:35 +1100 wrote:
> > We have decided to move away from charging for net access and fund open
> > access  to the internet as it is simply too an important resource to
> > restrict access to. We decided that the hassle teachers had with
> > students not being able to access websites was restricting take-up of
> > ICT in the classroom. Teachers were fed up with students not being able
> > access websites without prior submission to the education channel -
> > especially when it restricted free-form investigation and research.
> > The down side is that students won't have "free" access to computers and
> > will need to be supervised.
> > You have to convince the admin that it has to fund the internet as a
> > core component to education. It is used across all KLA's and is an
> > essential tool for education. It is not an addon- it is core component.
> > I'm not sure many admins can see that just yet.
> > If the electricity bill is over budget  they can find the money to pay
> > that, they don't just turn off all power or tell kids they can only use
> > the lights if they pay a power fee.
> > There are tools like Packateer ($$  :(  ) that can enable access to be
> > tailored to a packet by packet basis. You may want to look at something
> > like that to help keep costs down. If you artificially slow the link or
> > restrict certain traffic you can keep costs down without removing access
> > completely.
> > Fight for free access.
> > Cheers
> > Cameron
> >
> >
> > fiona at balmoralhs.vic.edu.au wrote:
> > > Do you give the students a starting balance on each account and, if
> so, how much
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > Fiona (the other kind of Bain)
> > > Balmoral
> > > "Bane, Janet A" <bane.janet.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> on Thu, 14 Dec 2006
> 10:32:09 +1100 wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Kim
> > >> there is a very simple solution to this problem - start charging the
> kids for their internet usage!  I think you would find that most schools
> do.  Our system is called Gaia Print and Net charger.  Not only do we charge
> for internet usage, we also charge 10c per print out.  Its amazing what
> "needs" to be accessed and what doesn't when they have to pay for it!
> > >>
> > >> regards,
> > >> Janet Bane
> > >> Patterson River SC.
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >>
> > >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of
> kgration at myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au
> > >> Sent: Wed 13-Dec-06 3:31 PM
> > >> To: ipm at edulists.com.au
> > >> Subject: [Year 12 IPM] Proxy avoiding web sites and individual user
> accounts
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Dear List,
> > >>
> > >> During the last few months our wonderful students have discovered
> treasure troves of proxy avoiding web sites (e.g. vtunnel, kproxy,
> flyproxy etc. etc. etc.) with multiple variations of each of these and
> numerous others as the URL. Most of these sites are secure (i.e. https://
> <https:///>  rather than http:// <http:///> ) so are difficult to block or
> usually totally unblockable using the SINA front end. The Year 10-12
> students are particularly notorious for this kind of behaviour. Blocking the
> source IP address appears to be the only rather fragmented solution to this
> problem . . . but this essentially amounts to a game of catch up . . . and
> without a full time tech. usually means a call to Editure . . . who aren't
> always 100% successful either.
> > >>
> > >> Not surprisingly our Internet budget has basically been blown as a
> result. I am now considering taking away individual user accounts for
> student Internet use and having Learning Area, Year Level or some other
> account structure where teachers enter the password for students in their
> care.
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone out there have any gems of wisdom (bright ideas) or
> perspectivesto share in this area?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Kim
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> Kim Gration
> > >> ICT Manager
> > >> Myrtleford Secondary College
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Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College
http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au

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