[Year 12 IPM] Contributors invited to attach photo to assist
inputting faces to names.
Andrew Grimshaw
grimshaw.andrew.j at edumail.vic.gov.au
Mon Dec 11 20:09:44 EST 2006
Hi keith and every1 else
here's a little pic of me
maybe we could set up a Myspace or photobucket or something for the photos
andrew grimshaw
colac college
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevork Krozian" <kevork at edulists.com.au>
To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'MailingList" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Contributors invited to attach photo to assist
inputting faces to names.
> Hi Keith,
>
> Nothing to apologise for. Say, you look pretty handsome in that photo !
> Maybe we can set up an online database for people to upload their photos
> as
> one other option.
> Meanwhile, here is my photo in case you were wondering what I look like
> :)))
>
> Best Wishes
> Kevork Krozian
> Mailing List Creator and Administrator
> kevork at edulists.com.au
> www.edulists.com.au
> Tel: 0419 356 034
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Richardson" <keithcr at fastmail.fm>
> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Contributors invited to attach photo to assist
> in
> putting faces to names.
>
>
>> My apologies Kevork - I had no idea that my request had so many
>> complicated strings attached.
>> So here goes, with a tiny 2Kb attached image.
>> Thank you Kevork, for your detailed reply.
>> Marry christmas, Keith
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:05:08 +1100, "Kevork Krozian"
>> <kevork at edulists.com.au> said:
>>> Dear Keith,
>>>
>>> I haven't forgotten your request to see if we can have a photo with
>>> each
>>> email contribution.
>>> When an email is sent - and these mailing lists are just an engine for
>>> distributing emails - posts go to subscriber's mailboxes. They are not
>>> centrally collated for all to view like web forums . In fact there is
>>> very
>>> little information held about a subscriber on the mail server, except
>>> for
>>> an
>>> email address and a few options. The server is not constructed as a
>>> forum
>>> and not geared to store objects like photos.
>>>
>>> Why not somehow change your system to allow for storage of photos I hear
>>> you
>>> ask ??
>>>
>>> The answer is it would then have to become a web forum. Emails would not
>>> necessarily keep coming into each person's mailbox but be stored
>>> centrally
>>> and to access a list, subscribers would have to go into the central
>>> forum
>>> to
>>> see what is new. Sure, reminders could be sent out but the action would
>>> then
>>> happen in a web environment and not a mailing list as we have it now.
>>> The
>>> implications of that are individual accounts for each subscriber,
>>> maintenance of these accounts and having to log in each time to this web
>>> based structure to catch up with what is happening versus having all
>>> messages come to you into your mailbox to do with what you like.
>>>
>>> So what to do ?
>>> Why not invite contributors to attach a photo of no more than 100KB to
>>> emails that can then be viewed to put faces to names ? If any attempt
>>> to
>>> attach any large images is made there is an automatic block at 1 MB as
>>> with
>>> any attachment. Therefore, let us start by attaching our photo to the
>>> emails
>>> as a way of getting to know each other.
>>>
>>> To entirely ditch the mailing lists and move to a web based forum would
>>> change the whole character of the mailing lists. If people did not log
>>> in
>>> ,
>>> they would not be up to date.
>>>
>>> With mailing lists it is the server's job to distribute the new posts
>>> and
>>> not the subscriber's to keep logging in to see what is happening.
>>> So, perhaps we can start by setting an example and posting an attached
>>> photo
>>> for others to identify us.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes
>>> Kevork Krozian
>>> Mailing List Creator and Administrator
>>> kevork at edulists.com.au
>>> www.edulists.com.au
>>> Tel: 0419 356 034
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Keith Richardson" <keithcr at fastmail.fm>
>>> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>> Teachers'Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Record for number of messages broken !!!
>>>
>>>
>>> > Dear Santork Kev or is it Santa Kevork - You are indeed "a teacher who
>>> > changes lives" <<that's a compliment folks>> and in the spirit of
>>> > Christmas may we all collectively thank you for your listization of us
>>> > as a group.
>>> > Some years ago, Kevork, I made a suggestion that for a variety of
>>> > reasons was not taken up, and I would like to make it again. I have my
>>> > reasons for this suggestion that crystallized for me during the long
>>> > lunch periods at this year's VITTA Conference.
>>> > Each day I looked across the sea of faces, totally frustrated because
>>> > here were many friends-on-list but I was not able to RECOGNIZE THEIR
>>> > FACES because all we ever see is their names. I would have loved to
>>> > drift from list-friend to list-friend, picking up comments and
>>> > associations, and further enriching our shared experiences for the
>>> > following year.
>>> > My suggestion? <<Adjust the email list setup so that a tiny photograph
>>> > of the sender shows beside their name each time they send replies etc
>>> > to
>>> > the list.>>
>>> > So there you have it. What do others think?
>>> > Merry Christmas to you all!
>>> > Keith
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:47:25 +1100, "Kevork Krozian"
>>> > <kevork at edulists.com.au> said:
>>> >> Hi IPM ( soon to be itapps) colleagues,
>>> >>
>>> >> Well you have done it. In Nov 2006 you posted 435 messages ( about
>>> >> 15
>>> >> per day ) overtaking the previous record of 424 (Aug 2006) set by
>>> >> the
>>> >> Business Managers' mailing list. Remember they are at their
>>> >> desks/computers almost the whole working day and your working day is
>>> >> a
>>> >> different arrangement.
>>> >> I hope the interaction was useful as we enter a new dawn ..... not
>>> >> meaning to be too dramatic.
>>> >>
>>> >> While I have your attention. In the next little while the ipm
>>> >> mailing
>>> >> list will be retired and all subscribers will be moved to the new
>>> >> list
>>> >> itapps at edulists.com.au . You do not need to do anything. A message
>>> >> will
>>> >> go out when the changeover ( will it be direct, phased, pilot or
>>> >> parallel
>>> >> ???? -- just kidding ! ) takes place. Just keep replying to the
>>> >> list. For a while both ipm at edulists.com.au and itapps at edulists.com.au
>>> >> will go to the same place after which ipm at edulists.com.au will no
>>> >> longer
>>> >> exist ........ :( teary eyed ..... I believe it is the first name
>>> >> change for IPM since 1990, though I am happy to be corrected if that
>>> >> is
>>> >> wrong.
>>> >>
>>> >> A similar announcement will go out to the is at edulists.com.au list
>>> >> which
>>> >> will convert to sofdev at edulists.com.au .
>>> >>
>>> >> The twig on the edulists tree showing ipm will gradually shrink and
>>> >> be
>>> >> overtaken by the itapps twig and similarly the is twig will give way
>>> >> to
>>> >> the sofdev one.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone care to make a speech on the cusp of this momentous occasion
>>> >> or
>>> >> are we too busy stressing out about next year ? I am not sure about
>>> >> everyone else but I will have sofdev, yr11it and VET IT which will
>>> >> all
>>> >> be new next year ( I will also teach Cisco CCNA 1-2 and Cisco CCNA
>>> >> 3-4 ).
>>> >>
>>> >> With thanks and Best Wishes to all of you
>>> >>
>>> >> Kevork Krozian
>>> >> Mailing List Creator and Administrator
>>> >> kevork at edulists.com.au
>>> >> www.edulists.com.au
>>> >> Tel: 0419 356 034
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: Roland Gesthuizen
>>> >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>> >> Teachers'Mailing List
>>> >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:30 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> G'day Keith, my virtual shoes are ringing (or is it my music
>>> >> player).
>>> >> Yesterday my memory laces come loose with too many unanswered SMS
>>> >> pages
>>> >> and I had to reboot the soles. Enjoy the attached creative writing
>>> >> essay by one of my IPM students from four years ago.
>>> >>
>>> >> (* Clicks heels of his red shoes three times, shouting there is no
>>> >> place like school, there is no place like school ... *) Apologies
>>> >> to
>>> >> Dorothy and Toto.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards Roland
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 01/12/06, Keith Richardson <keithcr at fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>> >> G'day Scotty - suggestion - just timetable virtual classes with
>>> >> virtual
>>> >> teachers in virtual spaces then the kids stay at home, the
>>> >> teachers
>>> >> stay
>>> >> in the staffroom (to be close to the coffee machines), and the
>>> >> school
>>> >> puts extra Moodle servers into the empty classrooms. Time becomes
>>> >> immaterial because classes may be held either synchronously (if
>>> >> you
>>> >> were
>>> >> able to put them together in the timetable, and
>>> >> asynchronistically
>>> >> at
>>> >> other times. It sounds so good, I might just give it a try
>>> >> (joking...).
>>> >> Cheers, Keith
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:26:21 +1100, "Mark Scott"
>>> >> <msc at staff.luther.vic.edu.au> said:
>>> >> > Keith
>>> >> >
>>> >> > You sound so progressive and dynamic that it is depressing,
>>> >> especially
>>> >> > when I am knee deep in the mire trying to build a 2007
>>> >> timetable
>>> >> and
>>> >> > haven't looked at the study design yet.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > (Pls excuse the whinge)
>>> >> > Mark Scott
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> >> [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>> >> > On Behalf Of Keith Richardson
>>> >> > Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 6:20 AM
>>> >> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>> >> > Teachers'Mailing List
>>> >> > Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thank you Mark and Paula - although I don't like it, I can see
>>> >> where you
>>> >> > are coming from.
>>> >> > I personally do not like it because having to 'fake-it' rarely
>>> >> leaves me
>>> >> > or the kids satisfied - it seems like science experiments of
>>> >> old
>>> >> where
>>> >> > we tell the kids what 'should' have happened even though their
>>> >> eyes
>>> >> and
>>> >> > ears tell them that it did not.
>>> >> > I guess that as long as we expose them to actually functioning
>>> >> tools
>>> >> > albeit not in their actual SAC, they can become intuitively
>>> >> confident
>>> >> > that such functionality does really exist. In the past I have
>>> >> > experienced similar frustrations with wanting to have
>>> >> functioning
>>> >> > databases behind websites.
>>> >> > However, for myself I intend trying as hard as possible to
>>> >> achieve
>>> >> > genuine functionality of appropriate virtual-team-tools within
>>> >> their SAC
>>> >> > situation. Time will tell!
>>> >> > Keith
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:29:14 +1100, "Christophersen, Paula P"
>>> >> > <christophersen.paula.p at edumail.vic.gov.au > said:
>>> >> > > Mark and colleagues
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > This last interpretation of the outcome (and task
>>> >> requirements)
>>> >> and
>>> >> > > advice about teaching and learning and assessment are timely
>>> >> and
>>> >> > > correct.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Regards
>>> >> > > Paula
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Paula Christophersen
>>> >> > > ICT Curriculum Manager
>>> >> > > Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
>>> >> > > Authority
>>> >> > > 41 St Andrews Place
>>> >> > > EAST MELBOURNE 3002
>>> >> > > Phone: 03 9651 4378
>>> >> > > Fax: 03 9651 4324
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> >> [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>> >> > > On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
>>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 8:21 AM
>>> >> > > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>> >> > > Teachers'Mailing List
>>> >> > > Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Key things to remember abuout ITA U3O2, as I understand it...
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > - Knowledge sharing is part of it, but the solution must also
>>> >> > facilitate
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > team decision-making. (So a static website with info on it -
>>> >> as
>>> >> in
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > > Potts example - is not good.)
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > - Features that can't be realistically created for real can
>>> >> be
>>> >> > > simulated. e.g. Create a web forum lookalike screen in
>>> >> Photoshop;
>>> >> fake
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > web-shopping checkout or online feedback form, or a networked
>>> >> calendar
>>> >> > > or booking sheet with graphics buttons and the like. Since
>>> >> it's
>>> >> a
>>> >> > > prototype website, such parts do not need to actually work.
>>> >> So
>>> >> the
>>> >> > kids
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > don't need to actually set up a Miki or a Woogle, they just
>>> >> have
>>> >> to
>>> >> > > indicate that they know it would help the team share info /
>>> >> make
>>> >> > > collaborative decisions.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > - So by all means introduce kids to relevant tools, but don't
>>> >> freak
>>> >> > > yourself out unnecessarily about having to use them in the
>>> >> outcome.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > As I understand it...
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Mark
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Keith Richardson wrote:
>>> >> > > > I am also very confused by this Geraldine - I am almost
>>> >> tempted
>>> >> to
>>> >> > try
>>> >> > > > to do it in two parts - one with website creation, and one
>>> >> using our
>>> >> > > > Moodle in the school setting them the task to design then
>>> >> create
>>> >> > > various
>>> >> > > > cooperative, virtual team tools and be able to demonstrate
>>> >> that
>>> >> they
>>> >> > > > actually work. I have not planned more deeply than that
>>> >> yet.
>>> >> > > > What do others think?
>>> >> > > > Keith
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:23:11 +1100, "Geraldine McKenna"
>>> >> > > > <gmckenna at ozemail.com.au> said:
>>> >> > > >> I still feel quite unclear about what is expected in this
>>> >> outcome.
>>> >> > > Would
>>> >> > > >> a
>>> >> > > >> link to the Google Docs site mentioned recently suffice or
>>> >> a
>>> >> link
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > > a
>>> >> > > >> Moodle wiki for sharing knowledge or a blog? Given that we
>>> >> need to
>>> >> > > use
>>> >> > > >> web
>>> >> > > >> authoring software - Dreamweaver in my case - I can only
>>> >> imagine
>>> >> > > creating
>>> >> > > >> links to other tools rather than actually creating the
>>> >> knowledge
>>> >> > > sharing
>>> >> > > >> capability within the website. Can anyone give more
>>> >> specific
>>> >> > examples
>>> >> > > of
>>> >> > > >> how
>>> >> > > >> they imagine this prototype website will look?
>>> >> > > >> Geraldine McKenna
>>> >> > > >> Avila College
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> Thanks also for feedback re VET Multimedia. Seems it may
>>> >> not
>>> >> be a
>>> >> > > more
>>> >> > > >> attractive option for girls?
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > > >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> >> > > [mailto: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]On
>>> >> > > >> Behalf Of Christophersen, Paula P
>>> >> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:33 AM
>>> >> > > >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and
>>> >> Management
>>> >> > > >> Teachers'MailingList
>>> >> > > >> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> Dear colleagues
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> It's great to hear this healthy discussion regarding Unit
>>> >> 3,
>>> >> > Outcome
>>> >> > > 2.
>>> >> > > >> I just want to stress that when students independently
>>> >> develop
>>> >> > their
>>> >> > > >> prototype website, it is OK just to simulate
>>> >> practices/tools
>>> >> rather
>>> >> > > than
>>> >> > > >> creating/using them. The main intention of this part of
>>> >> the
>>> >> outcome
>>> >> > > is
>>> >> > > >> for students to demonstrate their understanding of
>>> >> tools/facilities
>>> >> > > >> available to support knowledge sharing and collaborative
>>> >> > > >> decision-making.
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> So, when completing this assessment task, students would
>>> >> design the
>>> >> > > >> website, create the homepage and create/simulate that part
>>> >> of
>>> >> the
>>> >> > > >> website that supports knowledge sharing and collaborative
>>> >> decision
>>> >> > > >> making. Then, comes the theory part on networking.
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> Regards
>>> >> > > >> Paula
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> Paula Christophersen
>>> >> > > >> ICT Curriculum Manager
>>> >> > > >> Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
>>> >> > > >> Authority
>>> >> > > >> 41 St Andrews Place
>>> >> > > >> EAST MELBOURNE 3002
>>> >> > > >> Phone: 03 9651 4378
>>> >> > > >> Fax: 03 9651 4324
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > > >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> >> > > [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>> >> > > >> On Behalf Of Cameron Bell
>>> >> > > >> Sent: Friday, 24 November 2006 8:05 AM
>>> >> > > >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and
>>> >> Management
>>> >> > > >> Teachers'Mailing List
>>> >> > > >> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> Likewise. I am wondering about setting up a Jabber server
>>> >> for
>>> >> such
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > > >> purpose. Simply to reduce external traffic costs and
>>> >> bandwidth
>>> >> and
>>> >> > > keep
>>> >> > > >> it fully internal and "safer" for students. Has anyone
>>> >> done
>>> >> this
>>> >> > yet?
>>> >> > > >> Would be interested in feedback.
>>> >> > > >> Cameron
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> Keith Richardson wrote:
>>> >> > > >>> Skype has enabled some of the virtual teams I work in to
>>> >> be
>>> >> fast,
>>> >> > > >>> efficient and effective, but it is real-time. One also
>>> >> needs
>>> >> > > >>> a-synchronous tools too.
>>> >> > > >>> Keith
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:30:47 +1100, "Mark Kelly"
>>> >> > > >>> <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> said:
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>>> Yes, but is email a complete solution? It's certainly
>>> >> relevant
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > > >>>> important, but can it achieve everything a virtual team
>>> >> needs?
>>> >> > > >>>>
>>> >> > > >>>> I ask myself (as 3:30 comes and I have to drag myself to
>>> >> a
>>> >> > > curriculum
>>> >> > > >>>> meeting) why I'm dragging myself to a meeting. Why
>>> >> couldn't
>>> >> it
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > > >> done
>>> >> > > >>>> by email? If you can work that out, you may start to
>>> >> see
>>> >> where
>>> >> > > >> email's
>>> >> > > >>>> limitations begin.
>>> >> > > >>>>
>>> >> > > >>>> 2.2 cents' worth (GST inc)
>>> >> > > >>>>
>>> >> > > >>>> Off to curriculum. VELS again.
>>> >> > > >>>>
>>> >> > > >>>> Sigh........
>>> >> > > >>>>
>>> >> > > >>>>
>>> >> > > >>>> jtabone at aitkencollege.edu.au wrote:
>>> >> > > >>>>
>>> >> > > >>>>> Dear All
>>> >> > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > >>>>> I am reading with interest everyone's comments on
>>> >> U302 -
>>> >> > > >>>>> collaborative problem solving within virtual teams and
>>> >> am
>>> >> > > wondering
>>> >> > > >>>>> if I may be over-simplifying this outcome task
>>> >> > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > >>>>> Going by the detailed example in the study design p.
>>> >> 69-70
>>> >> we
>>> >> > are
>>> >> > > >>>>> given the scenario of university located on one
>>> >> > > >>>>> "large campus", whereby management has recently formed
>>> >> as
>>> >> one of
>>> >> > > >>>>> their key objectives to "strengthen current strategic
>>> >> > > collaborations
>>> >> > > >>>>> and forge new alliances that will create new knowledge
>>> >> ..."
>>> >> > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > >>>>> The task is then:
>>> >> > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > >>>>> "design and create a prototype website for Sherwood
>>> >> University
>>> >> > > that
>>> >> > > >>>>> will enable various virtual teams ... to realise their
>>> >> goals and
>>> >> > > to
>>> >> > > >>>>> enhance decision making, knowledge sharing and
>>> >> collaborative
>>> >> > > problem
>>> >> > > >>>>> solving"
>>> >> > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > >>>>> Couldn't simply having an email link solve this
>>> >> problem -
>>> >> yes
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > > >>>>> would use wikis, blogs, forums, webcasts, and every
>>> >> other
>>> >> "sexy"
>>> >> > > >>>>> tool
>>> >> > > >>>>> - however I can communicate virtually via email to
>>> >> people
>>> >> with
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > > >>>>> same interest (teams)
>>> >> > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > >>>>> Really, isn't that what I am doing right now - sending
>>> >> an
>>> >> email
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > > a
>>> >> > > >>>>> group of people with a common interest and goal and
>>> >> sharing
>>> >> > > >>>>> information and receiving information in a
>>> >> collaborative
>>> >> > > environment
>>> >> > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > >>>>> Just my thoughts
>>> >> > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > >>>>> Cheers
>>> >> > > >>>>> Joyce Tabone
>>> >> > > >>>>> Aitken College
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