[Year 12 IPM] Contributors invited to attach photo to
assistinputting faces to names.
Stephen Digby
digby.stephen.p at edumail.vic.gov.au
Wed Dec 6 17:17:52 EST 2006
Push - abuse of the DL (all staff email account) - abuse of the copy for
everyone's pigeon hole - etc etc.
Very little culture of pull - i.e. commitment by admin to maintain a
coherent and complete admin information system online with alerts to staff
that some "page content" has changed". That's why I love moodle(-type)
solutions....
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Stephen Digby Ph: 613-9809-4785 Mb: 6143-170-1028
6 Tyrone St, camberwell, Melbourne, Australia 3124
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I gather, young man, that you wish to be a Member of Parliament. The first
lesson that you must learn is, when I call for statistics about the rate of
infant mortality, what I want is proof that fewer babies died when I was
Prime Minister than when anyone else was Prime Minister. That is a political
statistic.
Winston Churchill
-----Original Message-----
From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On
Behalf Of Cameron Bell
Sent: 06 December 2006 08:29 AM
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Contributors invited to attach photo to
assistinputting faces to names.
Awww c'mon Stephen that's not the IT attitude! If there is something new, an
upgrade, some obscure piece of software available then you are compelled to
use it! You must use it! You have to be able to learn it and then dispense
your accumulated wisdom and pour scorn on those using the previous version.
Then and only then can you have a session at the vitta conference and feel
all warm and fuzzy that you, have, for a fleeting moment, been a *guru*.
If it ain't broke, then it must be a legacy system. ;)
On a serious note though- it raises the interesting issue of what
information is deemed worthy of "pushing" out to your community and what
information need only be accessible when required? Do staff get emailed the
daily bulletin or is it posted? Likewise for the school newsletter.
Working at a prestigous private school that made it's parents newsletter
available online, I was surprised that they went back to printing it on
paper due to lack of parent hits. (Of course the printed ones rarely made it
home either - left in the bottom of school bags etc) What happens at your
school? What information is pushed out and what is available online?
Cheers
Cameron
Stephen Digby wrote:
> Don't want to change a system that has worked so well ...
> Definitely THE main (if not the ONLY ?) open discussion group among
> teachers in Victorian schools.
> DE&T discussion groups are dead in the water (the "pravda" effect - if
> is not unmittigated praise of the newest idea - we don't want you to
> say it out loud !) Other discussion groups are much smaller and seem
> to have limited traffic.... Any onwe know different.
> Wish we could build similar strength as the old IPM list in English,
> Maths etc .... ??
>
> Kevork is right about the power of the reply button....
> A web forum (e.g. moodle forums) can send out full copies of all mail
> submitted to each subscriber, BUT to reply you need to click, log in
> and compose (or paste) the message into a web form. Not much more BUT
> just enough to possible disrupt the speed and immediacy of the current
system.
>
> If it ain't broke.... Don't fix it.....
>
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> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
> mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au Cheltenham Secondary College
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>
> In any human endeavor, once you have exhausted all possibilities and
> fail, there will be one solution, simple and obvious, highly visible
> to everyone else. Murphy's Computer Law 51
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
> Sent: 05 December 2006 10:05 PM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'MailingList
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Contributors invited to attach photo to
> assist inputting faces to names.
>
> Dear Keith,
>
> I haven't forgotten your request to see if we can have a photo
> with each email contribution.
> When an email is sent - and these mailing lists are just an engine for
> distributing emails - posts go to subscriber's mailboxes. They are not
> centrally collated for all to view like web forums . In fact there is
> very little information held about a subscriber on the mail server,
> except for an email address and a few options. The server is not
> constructed as a forum and not geared to store objects like photos.
>
> Why not somehow change your system to allow for storage of photos I
> hear you ask ??
>
> The answer is it would then have to become a web forum. Emails would
> not necessarily keep coming into each person's mailbox but be stored
> centrally and to access a list, subscribers would have to go into the
> central forum to see what is new. Sure, reminders could be sent out
> but the action would then happen in a web environment and not a
> mailing list as we have it now. The implications of that are
> individual accounts for each subscriber, maintenance of these accounts
> and having to log in each time to this web based structure to catch up
> with what is happening versus having all messages come to you into your
mailbox to do with what you like.
>
> So what to do ?
> Why not invite contributors to attach a photo of no more than 100KB to
> emails that can then be viewed to put faces to names ? If any attempt
> to attach any large images is made there is an automatic block at 1 MB
> as with any attachment. Therefore, let us start by attaching our photo
> to the emails as a way of getting to know each other.
>
> To entirely ditch the mailing lists and move to a web based forum
> would change the whole character of the mailing lists. If people did
> not log in , they would not be up to date.
>
> With mailing lists it is the server's job to distribute the new posts
> and not the subscriber's to keep logging in to see what is happening.
> So, perhaps we can start by setting an example and posting an attached
> photo for others to identify us.
>
> Best Wishes
> Kevork Krozian
> Mailing List Creator and Administrator kevork at edulists.com.au
> www.edulists.com.au
> Tel: 0419 356 034
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Richardson" <keithcr at fastmail.fm>
> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Record for number of messages broken !!!
>
>
>
>> Dear Santork Kev or is it Santa Kevork - You are indeed "a teacher
>> who changes lives" <<that's a compliment folks>> and in the spirit of
>> Christmas may we all collectively thank you for your listization of
>> us as a group.
>> Some years ago, Kevork, I made a suggestion that for a variety of
>> reasons was not taken up, and I would like to make it again. I have
>> my reasons for this suggestion that crystallized for me during the
>> long lunch periods at this year's VITTA Conference.
>> Each day I looked across the sea of faces, totally frustrated because
>> here were many friends-on-list but I was not able to RECOGNIZE THEIR
>> FACES because all we ever see is their names. I would have loved to
>> drift from list-friend to list-friend, picking up comments and
>> associations, and further enriching our shared experiences for the
>> following year.
>> My suggestion? <<Adjust the email list setup so that a tiny
>> photograph of the sender shows beside their name each time they send
>> replies etc to the list.>> So there you have it. What do others think?
>> Merry Christmas to you all!
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:47:25 +1100, "Kevork Krozian"
>> <kevork at edulists.com.au> said:
>>
>>> Hi IPM ( soon to be itapps) colleagues,
>>>
>>> Well you have done it. In Nov 2006 you posted 435 messages ( about
>>> 15 per day ) overtaking the previous record of 424 (Aug 2006) set
>>> by the Business Managers' mailing list. Remember they are at their
>>> desks/computers almost the whole working day and your working day is
>>> a different arrangement.
>>> I hope the interaction was useful as we enter a new dawn ..... not
>>> meaning to be too dramatic.
>>>
>>> While I have your attention. In the next little while the ipm
>>> mailing list will be retired and all subscribers will be moved to
>>> the new list itapps at edulists.com.au . You do not need to do
>>> anything. A message will go out when the changeover ( will it be
>>> direct, phased,
>>>
> pilot or parallel
>
>>> ???? -- just kidding ! ) takes place. Just keep replying to the
>>> list. For a while both ipm at edulists.com.au and
>>> itapps at edulists.com.au will go to the same place after which
ipm at edulists.com.au will no longer
>>> exist ........ :( teary eyed ..... I believe it is the first name
>>> change for IPM since 1990, though I am happy to be corrected if that
>>> is wrong.
>>>
>>> A similar announcement will go out to the is at edulists.com.au list
>>> which will convert to sofdev at edulists.com.au .
>>>
>>> The twig on the edulists tree showing ipm will gradually shrink and
>>> be overtaken by the itapps twig and similarly the is twig will give
>>> way to the sofdev one.
>>>
>>> Anyone care to make a speech on the cusp of this momentous occasion or
>>> are we too busy stressing out about next year ? I am not sure about
>>> everyone else but I will have sofdev, yr11it and VET IT which will
>>> all be new next year ( I will also teach Cisco CCNA 1-2 and Cisco
>>> CCNA
>>>
> 3-4 ).
>
>>> With thanks and Best Wishes to all of you
>>>
>>> Kevork Krozian
>>> Mailing List Creator and Administrator kevork at edulists.com.au
>>> www.edulists.com.au
>>> Tel: 0419 356 034
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Roland Gesthuizen
>>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>> Teachers'Mailing List
>>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>>>
>>>
>>> G'day Keith, my virtual shoes are ringing (or is it my music player).
>>> Yesterday my memory laces come loose with too many unanswered SMS
pages
>>> and I had to reboot the soles. Enjoy the attached creative writing
>>> essay by one of my IPM students from four years ago.
>>>
>>> (* Clicks heels of his red shoes three times, shouting there is no
>>> place like school, there is no place like school ... *) Apologies to
>>> Dorothy and Toto.
>>>
>>> Regards Roland
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/12/06, Keith Richardson <keithcr at fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>> G'day Scotty - suggestion - just timetable virtual classes with
>>> virtual
>>> teachers in virtual spaces then the kids stay at home, the teachers
>>> stay
>>> in the staffroom (to be close to the coffee machines), and the
school
>>> puts extra Moodle servers into the empty classrooms. Time becomes
>>> immaterial because classes may be held either synchronously (if you
>>> were
>>> able to put them together in the timetable, and asynchronistically
at
>>> other times. It sounds so good, I might just give it a try
>>> (joking...).
>>> Cheers, Keith
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:26:21 +1100, "Mark Scott"
>>> <msc at staff.luther.vic.edu.au> said:
>>> > Keith
>>> >
>>> > You sound so progressive and dynamic that it is depressing,
>>> especially
>>> > when I am knee deep in the mire trying to build a 2007
>>> timetable and
>>> > haven't looked at the study design yet.
>>> >
>>> > (Pls excuse the whinge)
>>> > Mark Scott
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>> > On Behalf Of Keith Richardson
>>> > Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 6:20 AM
>>> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>> > Teachers'Mailing List
>>> > Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>>> >
>>> > Thank you Mark and Paula - although I don't like it, I can see
>>> where you
>>> > are coming from.
>>> > I personally do not like it because having to 'fake-it' rarely
>>> leaves me
>>> > or the kids satisfied - it seems like science experiments of
>>> old where
>>> > we tell the kids what 'should' have happened even though their
>>> eyes and
>>> > ears tell them that it did not.
>>> > I guess that as long as we expose them to actually functioning
>>> tools
>>> > albeit not in their actual SAC, they can become intuitively
>>> confident
>>> > that such functionality does really exist. In the past I have
>>> > experienced similar frustrations with wanting to have functioning
>>> > databases behind websites.
>>> > However, for myself I intend trying as hard as possible to achieve
>>> > genuine functionality of appropriate virtual-team-tools within
>>> their SAC
>>> > situation. Time will tell!
>>> > Keith
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:29:14 +1100, "Christophersen, Paula P"
>>> > <christophersen.paula.p at edumail.vic.gov.au > said:
>>> > > Mark and colleagues
>>> > >
>>> > > This last interpretation of the outcome (and task
>>> requirements) and
>>> > > advice about teaching and learning and assessment are timely and
>>> > > correct.
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards
>>> > > Paula
>>> > >
>>> > > Paula Christophersen
>>> > > ICT Curriculum Manager
>>> > > Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
>>> > > Authority
>>> > > 41 St Andrews Place
>>> > > EAST MELBOURNE 3002
>>> > > Phone: 03 9651 4378
>>> > > Fax: 03 9651 4324
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>> > > On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
>>> > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 8:21 AM
>>> > > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>> > > Teachers'Mailing List
>>> > > Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>>> > >
>>> > > Key things to remember abuout ITA U3O2, as I understand it...
>>> > >
>>> > > - Knowledge sharing is part of it, but the solution must also
>>> > facilitate
>>> > >
>>> > > team decision-making. (So a static website with info on it
>>> - as in
>>> > the
>>> > > Potts example - is not good.)
>>> > >
>>> > > - Features that can't be realistically created for real can be
>>> > > simulated. e.g. Create a web forum lookalike screen in
>>> Photoshop; fake
>>> > a
>>> > >
>>> > > web-shopping checkout or online feedback form, or a
>>> networked calendar
>>> > > or booking sheet with graphics buttons and the like. Since
>>> it's a
>>> > > prototype website, such parts do not need to actually work.
>>> So the
>>> > kids
>>> > >
>>> > > don't need to actually set up a Miki or a Woogle, they just
>>> have to
>>> > > indicate that they know it would help the team share info / make
>>> > > collaborative decisions.
>>> > >
>>> > > - So by all means introduce kids to relevant tools, but
>>> don't freak
>>> > > yourself out unnecessarily about having to use them in the
>>> outcome.
>>> > >
>>> > > As I understand it...
>>> > >
>>> > > Mark
>>> > >
>>> > > Keith Richardson wrote:
>>> > > > I am also very confused by this Geraldine - I am almost
>>> tempted to
>>> > try
>>> > > > to do it in two parts - one with website creation, and one
>>> using our
>>> > > > Moodle in the school setting them the task to design then
>>> create
>>> > > various
>>> > > > cooperative, virtual team tools and be able to demonstrate
>>> that they
>>> > > > actually work. I have not planned more deeply than that yet.
>>> > > > What do others think?
>>> > > > Keith
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:23:11 +1100, "Geraldine McKenna"
>>> > > > <gmckenna at ozemail.com.au> said:
>>> > > >> I still feel quite unclear about what is expected in this
>>> outcome.
>>> > > Would
>>> > > >> a
>>> > > >> link to the Google Docs site mentioned recently suffice
>>> or a link
>>> > to
>>> > > a
>>> > > >> Moodle wiki for sharing knowledge or a blog? Given that
>>> we need to
>>> > > use
>>> > > >> web
>>> > > >> authoring software - Dreamweaver in my case - I can only
>>> imagine
>>> > > creating
>>> > > >> links to other tools rather than actually creating the
>>> knowledge
>>> > > sharing
>>> > > >> capability within the website. Can anyone give more specific
>>> > examples
>>> > > of
>>> > > >> how
>>> > > >> they imagine this prototype website will look?
>>> > > >> Geraldine McKenna
>>> > > >> Avila College
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Thanks also for feedback re VET Multimedia. Seems it may
>>> not be a
>>> > > more
>>> > > >> attractive option for girls?
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>>> > > >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> > > [mailto: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]On
>>> > > >> Behalf Of Christophersen, Paula P
>>> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:33 AM
>>> > > >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>> > > >> Teachers'MailingList
>>> > > >> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Dear colleagues
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> It's great to hear this healthy discussion regarding Unit 3,
>>> > Outcome
>>> > > 2.
>>> > > >> I just want to stress that when students independently
develop
>>> > their
>>> > > >> prototype website, it is OK just to simulate
>>> practices/tools rather
>>> > > than
>>> > > >> creating/using them. The main intention of this part of
>>> the outcome
>>> > > is
>>> > > >> for students to demonstrate their understanding of
>>> tools/facilities
>>> > > >> available to support knowledge sharing and collaborative
>>> > > >> decision-making.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> So, when completing this assessment task, students would
>>> design the
>>> > > >> website, create the homepage and create/simulate that
>>> part of the
>>> > > >> website that supports knowledge sharing and collaborative
>>> decision
>>> > > >> making. Then, comes the theory part on networking.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Regards
>>> > > >> Paula
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Paula Christophersen
>>> > > >> ICT Curriculum Manager
>>> > > >> Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
>>> > > >> Authority
>>> > > >> 41 St Andrews Place
>>> > > >> EAST MELBOURNE 3002
>>> > > >> Phone: 03 9651 4378
>>> > > >> Fax: 03 9651 4324
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>>> > > >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> > > [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>> > > >> On Behalf Of Cameron Bell
>>> > > >> Sent: Friday, 24 November 2006 8:05 AM
>>> > > >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>> > > >> Teachers'Mailing List
>>> > > >> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Likewise. I am wondering about setting up a Jabber server
>>> for such
>>> > a
>>> > > >> purpose. Simply to reduce external traffic costs and
>>> bandwidth and
>>> > > keep
>>> > > >> it fully internal and "safer" for students. Has anyone
>>> done this
>>> > yet?
>>> > > >> Would be interested in feedback.
>>> > > >> Cameron
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Keith Richardson wrote:
>>> > > >>> Skype has enabled some of the virtual teams I work in to
>>> be fast,
>>> > > >>> efficient and effective, but it is real-time. One also needs
>>> > > >>> a-synchronous tools too.
>>> > > >>> Keith
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:30:47 +1100, "Mark Kelly"
>>> > > >>> <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> said:
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>> Yes, but is email a complete solution? It's certainly
>>> relevant
>>> > and
>>> > > >>>> important, but can it achieve everything a virtual team
>>> needs?
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> I ask myself (as 3:30 comes and I have to drag myself to a
>>> > > curriculum
>>> > > >>>> meeting) why I'm dragging myself to a meeting. Why
>>> couldn't it
>>> > be
>>> > > >> done
>>> > > >>>> by email? If you can work that out, you may start to
>>> see where
>>> > > >> email's
>>> > > >>>> limitations begin.
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> 2.2 cents' worth (GST inc)
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> Off to curriculum. VELS again.
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> Sigh........
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> jtabone at aitkencollege.edu.au wrote:
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Dear All
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> I am reading with interest everyone's comments on U302 -
>>> > > >>>>> collaborative problem solving within virtual teams and am
>>> > > wondering
>>> > > >>>>> if I may be over-simplifying this outcome task
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Going by the detailed example in the study design p.
>>> 69-70 we
>>> > are
>>> > > >>>>> given the scenario of university located on one
>>> > > >>>>> "large campus", whereby management has recently formed
>>> as one of
>>> > > >>>>> their key objectives to "strengthen current strategic
>>> > > collaborations
>>> > > >>>>> and forge new alliances that will create new knowledge
..."
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> The task is then:
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> "design and create a prototype website for Sherwood
>>> University
>>> > > that
>>> > > >>>>> will enable various virtual teams ... to realise their
>>> goals and
>>> > > to
>>> > > >>>>> enhance decision making, knowledge sharing and
>>> collaborative
>>> > > problem
>>> > > >>>>> solving"
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Couldn't simply having an email link solve this
>>> problem
>>> - yes
>>> > you
>>> > > >>>>> would use wikis, blogs, forums, webcasts, and every
>>> other "sexy"
>>> > > >>>>> tool
>>> > > >>>>> - however I can communicate virtually via email to
>>> people with
>>> > the
>>> > > >>>>> same interest (teams)
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Really, isn't that what I am doing right now - sending
>>> an email
>>> > to
>>> > > a
>>> > > >>>>> group of people with a common interest and goal and
sharing
>>> > > >>>>> information and receiving information in a collaborative
>>> > > environment
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Just my thoughts
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Cheers
>>> > > >>>>> Joyce Tabone
>>> > > >>>>> Aitken College
>>> > > >>>>>
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