[English] RE: english Digest, Vol 43, Issue 3

Wed Dec 2 11:54:28 EST 2009

Dear All,
I accidentally sent an email without content - I was hastily forwarding
one instead so please ignore the blank - no message was meant to be
sent. Incidentally though, very nice to hear from so  many of you.
Best regards,
Iris

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:33:43 GMT
From: stephen at melbpc.org.au
Subject: [English] ebook lovers
To: oz-teachers at rite.ed.qut.edu.au, oztl_net at listserv.csu.edu.au
Cc: english at edulists.com.au
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As the address notes ..

http://www.onlinecourses.org/2009/11/11/100-useful-links-for-ebook-lover
s

and, one delightful website

http://www.nzetc.org

"Welcome to the New Zealand Electronic Text Centre, part of Victoria 
University Library. We are: a Digital Library: providing open access
to New Zealand & Pacific Island documentary heritage. You can search
and browse the collection.." (For example ..)

The Kia ora Coo-ee : the magazine for the ANZACS in the Middle East,
1918

Regimental Cooks ..

I reckon that I know something about regimental cooks, for there was a 
time in the early days of the war when I was one myself. Cooking for a 
mob of Dinkums is about the most thankless job that I know of, and in my

time I have tackled all kinds of employment. However, the dizzy limit in

cookhouses was perched on the side of a hill in Monash Gully, Gallipoli.

Portion of it was in sight of a Turkish sniper, who used to fire from
the 
crest of the range, near Pope's and Quinn's Posts. He was a humorous
cuss 
was this Turkish sharpshooter, and he took a special delight in shooting

holes in our cooking utensils.  (Palestine. Bill Bowyang.) 

http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-ReiKaOr-t1-g1-t2-body1-d5.html

Prisoners of War ..

The average Turkish prisoner is a humorous individual. He generally has
a 
smiling face instead of the surly scowl of the Bosche. A prisoner whom
we 
captured at Rafa said to his guard, "You Australian birds, same as
Gallipoli." Of course "Abdul" was referring to our emu plumes.

Another "Jacko," captured at Maghdaba, was brought into one of our camps

after the battle. As he looked a harmless old chap, we did not keep him 
closely confined. Wandering around the bivvies, he saw several of the 
lads playing cards. The stakes, which were lying on an outspread oil-
sheet, were mostly half piastres. "Jacko" watched the game for a time, 
and then, seating himself amongst the players, produced from some
portion 
of his ragged clothing several five-piastre Turkish notes, and 
volunteered to take a hand in the game. The notes being considered 
valuable souvenirs, the boys raised no objections, but "Jacko" was not a

skilled player, and soon lost his roll. When his last note had changed 
hands, he arose with a smile, and strolled down the lines. Ten minutes 
later I noticed him sharing a tin of bully with some chaps ..

I heard a yarn about a Turkish prisoner, who was captured in the Jordan 
Valley, but I'll not guarantee the truth of it. As he was being marched 
to Headquarters he asked one of his guards, "Where I go to?" "Cairo," 
someone replied. "It's a pity," said "Jacko," "I thought they might send

me to Australia. I always did want to go to that country, my brother 
lives there."

http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-ReiKaOr-t1-g1-t5-body1-d8.html

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Cheers,
Stephen

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Subject: [English] RE: english Digest, Vol 43, Issue 2
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Best regards,

Iris

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Hi Gill,

I agree with your comments on 'Interpreter of the Maladies'. I am
looking forward to teaching this text next year.

Regards

Katherine

> Gillian Mortimer <gmortimer at distance.vic.edu.au> wrote:

> 

> Jhumpa Lahiri's 'Interpreter of Maladies' is an excellent ESL choice. 

> Short stories, the collection is not too long, themes of identity,
being 

> different, being torn between two cultures. Beautifully but fairly 

> simply written. Vocab's not too hard. Lots of potential to talk about 

> young adult relationships. The structure of the short stories is
readily 

> identifiable  - it's easy to find details in the writing to
demonstrate 

> various points of view. What's more there are plenty of reviews and 

> photos on the net and you can watch Lahiri on YouTube, answering 

> questions, receiving awards and reading her work.

> It's a fantastic ESL text.

> Gill Mortimer

> 

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>    3. RE: Year 12 ESL English (shermas at mlc.vic.edu.au)

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> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:33:34 +1100

> From: "Reynolds, Gail G" <reynolds.gail.g at edumail.vic.gov.au>

> Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

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> Rebecca is not the only one teaching Poe to ESL!

> 

> The 2010 list is terrible for ESL -- especially for our large cohort
of 

> Chinese students who do not respond well to texts which contain
swearing 

> or other things they find morally questionable (which automatically 

> excludes texts like Cosi). Other issues include texts which depend on
a 

> recognition of Australian/European cultural references (such as Bypass

> .. which in any case seems to me to lack the  depth which will promote

> complex responses ) Some other selections from the text list are
really 

> heavy going (both context and vocab) for the ESLs -- Shakespeare???

> 

> On the up side there are some excellent web resources for Poe many of 

> which will aid the ESL student. Once the POe stories are unpacked for 

> the students, they represent the kinds of stories which bear a 

> similarity to the oral traditions of many of our students.  We
agonised 

> over our list and I read all the texts again in my quest for something

> "good". I would be really interested to know what others have chosen
for 

> ESL ... and why.

> Gail

> 

> ________________________________

> 

> From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Lyle Stebbing

> Sent: Sun 29/11/2009 8:58 PM

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> 

> 

> Dear Rebecca,

> You're doing Poe with an ESL class????

> Lyle

> 

> 

> ________________________________

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> From: "Caruso, Greta" <Caruso.G at kingswoodcollege.vic.edu.au>

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> Yes, the list is really sad for ESL.  We are doing:

> Maestro

> Look Both Ways

> The Crucible

> 

> Really there are very few things to select from.

> There are some really good recordings of Poe stuff on youtube and the 

> iTunes. It might help to have the kids hear the text read.

> Good luck

> Greta Caruso

> 

> ________________________________

> From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au 

> [mailto:english-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Reynolds, Gail G

> Sent: Monday, 30 November 2009 4:34 PM

> To: VCE English Teachers' Mailing List

> Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

> 

> Rebecca is not the only one teaching Poe to ESL!

> 

> The 2010 list is terrible for ESL -- especially for our large cohort
of 

> Chinese students who do not respond well to texts which contain
swearing 

> or other things they find morally questionable (which automatically 

> excludes texts like Cosi). Other issues include texts which depend on
a 

> recognition of Australian/European cultural references (such as Bypass

> .. which in any case seems to me to lack the  depth which will promote

> complex responses ) Some other selections from the text list are
really 

> heavy going (both context and vocab) for the ESLs -- Shakespeare???

> 

> On the up side there are some excellent web resources for Poe many of 

> which will aid the ESL student. Once the POe stories are unpacked for 

> the students, they represent the kinds of stories which bear a 

> similarity to the oral traditions of many of our students.  We
agonised 

> over our list and I read all the texts again in my quest for something

> "good". I would be really interested to know what others have chosen
for 

> ESL ... and why.

> Gail

> 

> ________________________________

> From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Lyle Stebbing

> Sent: Sun 29/11/2009 8:58 PM

> To: VCE English Teachers' Mailing List

> Subject: Re: [English] Year 12 ESL English

> Dear Rebecca,

> You're doing Poe with an ESL class????

> Lyle

> 

> 

> ________________________________

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> Greta, is LBW still on for ESL?

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> From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Caruso, Greta

> Sent: Mon 30/11/2009 6:09 PM

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> Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

> 

> 

> 

> Yes, the list is really sad for ESL.  We are doing:

> 

> Maestro

> 

> Look Both Ways

> 

> The Crucible

> 

> 

> 

> Really there are very few things to select from.

> 

> There are some really good recordings of Poe stuff on youtube and the 

> iTunes. It might help to have the kids hear the text read.

> 

> Good luck

> 

> Greta Caruso

> 

> 

> 

> ________________________________

> 

> From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au 

> [mailto:english-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Reynolds, Gail G

> Sent: Monday, 30 November 2009 4:34 PM

> To: VCE English Teachers' Mailing List

> Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

> 

> 

> 

> Rebecca is not the only one teaching Poe to ESL!

> 

> 

> 

> The 2010 list is terrible for ESL -- especially for our large cohort
of 

> Chinese students who do not respond well to texts which contain
swearing 

> or other things they find morally questionable (which automatically 

> excludes texts like Cosi). Other issues include texts which depend on
a 

> recognition of Australian/European cultural references (such as Bypass

> .. which in any case seems to me to lack the  depth which will promote

> complex responses ) Some other selections from the text list are
really 

> heavy going (both context and vocab) for the ESLs -- Shakespeare???

> 

> 

> 

> On the up side there are some excellent web resources for Poe many of 

> which will aid the ESL student. Once the POe stories are unpacked for 

> the students, they represent the kinds of stories which bear a 

> similarity to the oral traditions of many of our students.  We
agonised 

> over our list and I read all the texts again in my quest for something

> "good". I would be really interested to know what others have chosen
for 

> ESL ... and why.

> 

> Gail

> 

> 

> 

> ________________________________

> 

> From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Lyle Stebbing

> Sent: Sun 29/11/2009 8:58 PM

> To: VCE English Teachers' Mailing List

> Subject: Re: [English] Year 12 ESL English

> 

> Dear Rebecca,

> 

> You're doing Poe with an ESL class????

> 

> Lyle

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> ________________________________

> 

> Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now 

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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:50:37 +1100

From: "Jan May" <Jan.May at stleonards.vic.edu.au>

Subject: [English] RE: english Digest, Vol 42, Issue 10

To: "english at edulists.com.au" <english at edulists.com.au>

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Agreed. I've tracked down lots of resources online. The Youtube
interviews are good. Also several excellent transcripts of her talking
about the stories. Amazon have material as well.

Jan

>>> Gillian Mortimer <gmortimer at distance.vic.edu.au> 12/1/2009 10:00 am
>>>

Jhumpa Lahiri's 'Interpreter of Maladies' is an excellent ESL choice.
Short stories, the collection is not too long, themes of identity, being
different, being torn between two cultures. Beautifully but fairly
simply written. Vocab's not too hard. Lots of potential to talk about
young adult relationships. The structure of the short stories is readily
identifiable  - it's easy to find details in the writing to demonstrate
various points of view. What's more there are plenty of reviews and
photos on the net and you can watch Lahiri on YouTube, answering
questions, receiving awards and reading her work.

It's a fantastic ESL text.

Gill Mortimer

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   2. RE: Year 12 ESL English (Caruso, Greta)

   3. RE: Year 12 ESL English (shermas at mlc.vic.edu.au)

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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:33:34 +1100

From: "Reynolds, Gail G" <reynolds.gail.g at edumail.vic.gov.au>

Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

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Rebecca is not the only one teaching Poe to ESL!

The 2010 list is terrible for ESL -- especially for our large cohort of
Chinese students who do not respond well to texts which contain swearing
or other things they find morally questionable (which automatically
excludes texts like Cosi). Other issues include texts which depend on a
recognition of Australian/European cultural references (such as Bypass
.. which in any case seems to me to lack the  depth which will promote
complex responses ) Some other selections from the text list are really
heavy going (both context and vocab) for the ESLs -- Shakespeare???

On the up side there are some excellent web resources for Poe many of
which will aid the ESL student. Once the POe stories are unpacked for
the students, they represent the kinds of stories which bear a
similarity to the oral traditions of many of our students.  We agonised
over our list and I read all the texts again in my quest for something
"good". I would be really interested to know what others have chosen for
ESL ... and why.

Gail

________________________________

From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Lyle Stebbing

Sent: Sun 29/11/2009 8:58 PM

To: VCE English Teachers' Mailing List

Subject: Re: [English] Year 12 ESL English

Dear Rebecca,

You're doing Poe with an ESL class????

Lyle

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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:09:12 +1100

From: "Caruso, Greta" <Caruso.G at kingswoodcollege.vic.edu.au>

Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

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Yes, the list is really sad for ESL.  We are doing:

Maestro

Look Both Ways

The Crucible

Really there are very few things to select from.

There are some really good recordings of Poe stuff on youtube and the
iTunes. It might help to have the kids hear the text read.

Good luck

Greta Caruso

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[mailto:english-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Reynolds, Gail G

Sent: Monday, 30 November 2009 4:34 PM

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Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

Rebecca is not the only one teaching Poe to ESL!

The 2010 list is terrible for ESL -- especially for our large cohort of
Chinese students who do not respond well to texts which contain swearing
or other things they find morally questionable (which automatically
excludes texts like Cosi). Other issues include texts which depend on a
recognition of Australian/European cultural references (such as Bypass
.. which in any case seems to me to lack the  depth which will promote
complex responses ) Some other selections from the text list are really
heavy going (both context and vocab) for the ESLs -- Shakespeare???

On the up side there are some excellent web resources for Poe many of
which will aid the ESL student. Once the POe stories are unpacked for
the students, they represent the kinds of stories which bear a
similarity to the oral traditions of many of our students.  We agonised
over our list and I read all the texts again in my quest for something
"good". I would be really interested to know what others have chosen for
ESL ... and why.

Gail

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Sent: Sun 29/11/2009 8:58 PM

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Subject: Re: [English] Year 12 ESL English

Dear Rebecca,

You're doing Poe with an ESL class????

Lyle

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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:50:35 +1100

From: <shermas at mlc.vic.edu.au>

Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

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Greta, is LBW still on for ESL?

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From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Caruso, Greta

Sent: Mon 30/11/2009 6:09 PM

To: 'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'

Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

Yes, the list is really sad for ESL.  We are doing:

Maestro

Look Both Ways

The Crucible

Really there are very few things to select from.

There are some really good recordings of Poe stuff on youtube and the
iTunes. It might help to have the kids hear the text read.

Good luck

Greta Caruso

________________________________

From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:english-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Reynolds, Gail G

Sent: Monday, 30 November 2009 4:34 PM

To: VCE English Teachers' Mailing List

Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

Rebecca is not the only one teaching Poe to ESL!

The 2010 list is terrible for ESL -- especially for our large cohort of
Chinese students who do not respond well to texts which contain swearing
or other things they find morally questionable (which automatically
excludes texts like Cosi). Other issues include texts which depend on a
recognition of Australian/European cultural references (such as Bypass
.. which in any case seems to me to lack the  depth which will promote
complex responses ) Some other selections from the text list are really
heavy going (both context and vocab) for the ESLs -- Shakespeare???

On the up side there are some excellent web resources for Poe many of
which will aid the ESL student. Once the POe stories are unpacked for
the students, they represent the kinds of stories which bear a
similarity to the oral traditions of many of our students.  We agonised
over our list and I read all the texts again in my quest for something
"good". I would be really interested to know what others have chosen for
ESL ... and why.

Gail

________________________________

From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Lyle Stebbing

Sent: Sun 29/11/2009 8:58 PM

To: VCE English Teachers' Mailing List

Subject: Re: [English] Year 12 ESL English

Dear Rebecca,

You're doing Poe with an ESL class????

Lyle

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