[English] RE: english Digest, Vol 42, Issue 10

Tue Dec 1 12:50:37 EST 2009

Agreed. I've tracked down lots of resources online. The Youtube interviews are good. Also several excellent transcripts of her talking about the stories. Amazon have material as well.
Jan

>>> Gillian Mortimer <gmortimer at distance.vic.edu.au> 12/1/2009 10:00 am >>>
Jhumpa Lahiri's 'Interpreter of Maladies' is an excellent ESL choice. Short stories, the collection is not too long, themes of identity, being different, being torn between two cultures. Beautifully but fairly simply written. Vocab's not too hard. Lots of potential to talk about young adult relationships. The structure of the short stories is readily identifiable  - it's easy to find details in the writing to demonstrate various points of view. What's more there are plenty of reviews and photos on the net and you can watch Lahiri on YouTube, answering questions, receiving awards and reading her work.
It's a fantastic ESL text.
Gill Mortimer

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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:33:34 +1100
From: "Reynolds, Gail G" <reynolds.gail.g at edumail.vic.gov.au>
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Rebecca is not the only one teaching Poe to ESL!

The 2010 list is terrible for ESL -- especially for our large cohort of Chinese students who do not respond well to texts which contain swearing or other things they find morally questionable (which automatically excludes texts like Cosi). Other issues include texts which depend on a recognition of Australian/European cultural references (such as Bypass .. which in any case seems to me to lack the  depth which will promote complex responses ) Some other selections from the text list are really heavy going (both context and vocab) for the ESLs -- Shakespeare???

On the up side there are some excellent web resources for Poe many of which will aid the ESL student. Once the POe stories are unpacked for the students, they represent the kinds of stories which bear a similarity to the oral traditions of many of our students.  We agonised over our list and I read all the texts again in my quest for something "good". I would be really interested to know what others have chosen for ESL ... and why.
Gail

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Dear Rebecca,
You're doing Poe with an ESL class????
Lyle

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Yes, the list is really sad for ESL.  We are doing:
Maestro
Look Both Ways
The Crucible

Really there are very few things to select from.
There are some really good recordings of Poe stuff on youtube and the iTunes. It might help to have the kids hear the text read.
Good luck
Greta Caruso

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Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

Rebecca is not the only one teaching Poe to ESL!

The 2010 list is terrible for ESL -- especially for our large cohort of Chinese students who do not respond well to texts which contain swearing or other things they find morally questionable (which automatically excludes texts like Cosi). Other issues include texts which depend on a recognition of Australian/European cultural references (such as Bypass .. which in any case seems to me to lack the  depth which will promote complex responses ) Some other selections from the text list are really heavy going (both context and vocab) for the ESLs -- Shakespeare???

On the up side there are some excellent web resources for Poe many of which will aid the ESL student. Once the POe stories are unpacked for the students, they represent the kinds of stories which bear a similarity to the oral traditions of many of our students.  We agonised over our list and I read all the texts again in my quest for something "good". I would be really interested to know what others have chosen for ESL ... and why.
Gail

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Subject: Re: [English] Year 12 ESL English
Dear Rebecca,
You're doing Poe with an ESL class????
Lyle

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Greta, is LBW still on for ESL?

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Yes, the list is really sad for ESL.  We are doing:

Maestro

Look Both Ways

The Crucible

Really there are very few things to select from.

There are some really good recordings of Poe stuff on youtube and the iTunes. It might help to have the kids hear the text read.

Good luck

Greta Caruso

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From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:english-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Reynolds, Gail G
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2009 4:34 PM
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Subject: RE: [English] Year 12 ESL English

Rebecca is not the only one teaching Poe to ESL!

The 2010 list is terrible for ESL -- especially for our large cohort of Chinese students who do not respond well to texts which contain swearing or other things they find morally questionable (which automatically excludes texts like Cosi). Other issues include texts which depend on a recognition of Australian/European cultural references (such as Bypass .. which in any case seems to me to lack the  depth which will promote complex responses ) Some other selections from the text list are really heavy going (both context and vocab) for the ESLs -- Shakespeare???

On the up side there are some excellent web resources for Poe many of which will aid the ESL student. Once the POe stories are unpacked for the students, they represent the kinds of stories which bear a similarity to the oral traditions of many of our students.  We agonised over our list and I read all the texts again in my quest for something "good". I would be really interested to know what others have chosen for ESL ... and why.

Gail

________________________________

From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Lyle Stebbing
Sent: Sun 29/11/2009 8:58 PM
To: VCE English Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [English] Year 12 ESL English

Dear Rebecca,

You're doing Poe with an ESL class????

Lyle

________________________________

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