[Design and Technology] election promise
pcranswick at aitkencollege.edu.au
pcranswick at aitkencollege.edu.au
Thu Apr 19 11:06:50 EST 2007
Hi David,
yes John Garcia does a great job.
Philip.
On 18.04.2007 at 22:16:57, David Fletcher <dgfletch at bigpond.net.au>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Further to the discussion regarding maintaining woodwork and
metalwork
> machinery in Technology Departments, many schools employ the
services of a
> most capable and helpful company who will do this on a contract
basis.
>
> They have also upgraded the necessary guarding on some machines,
replaced
> and/or sharpened cutting blades and expertly installed ducting for
waste
> removal. They will issue a certificate each year that machines
have been
> checked, maintained and comply with OH&S requirements.
>
> Generally this can be done in one day, at a very reasonable rate,
and it
> takes the responsibility off the technology teacher who may not
always have
> the time or expertise to carry out this maintenence work.
>
> The company is ANVIL SAFETY PRODUCTS. Contact ...
> John Garcia
> 342 Stony Point Road,
> Crib Point 3919
> (03) 5983 6063
> FAX 5983 6125
> Email: Anvil at nex.net.au
> I am happy to recommend this company.
>
> David Fletcher
> Secretary TEAV
> Email dgfletch at bigpond.net.au
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Kevork Krozian
> Date: 18/04/2007 08:28:49 PM
> To: Design and Technology Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Design and Technology] election promise
>
> Dear Design and Tech Teachers,
>
> It gives me enormous satisfaction when I see your list evolving
along the
> lines the much older IT lists have moved.
> Namely, as professionals you have a voice to express a point of
view, air
> grievances if there are any ( there is no shortage of those in
education it
> seems and why wouldn't there be with such a complex endeavour ? ),
celebrate
> success, support each other with ideas as well as resources.
> Furthermore, I have watched as this list has moved on to discuss
issues of
> resourcing such as lease vs buy , funding, support and the
discussion of
> issues that impact upon your ability to do your jobs as teachers.
> Ultimately we are here for the students and it is for them that
we are
> striving in order to deliver the best education program.
>
> If there is anything I can do to further enhance your mailing
list or your
> support web site at www.edulists.com.au please let me know.
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Kevork Krozian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bazeley" <bazeley at iinet.net.au>
> To: "'Design and Technology Teachers' Mailing List'"
> <destech at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [Design and Technology] election promise
>
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Sharing our experiences is very important at this stage
especially when
> > they
> > are as well expressed as Gary, John and others. I think if we can
get
> > enough
> > information together the next letter to the Minister should come
from the
> > TEAV. I am sure David Fletcher and others are listening.
> >
> > I put forward the following example that was helpful in carrying
out the
> > maintenance schedule that I have had difficulty in completing.
> >
> > In 2006 the school was willing to employ an ex trade teacher
with
> > engineering skills for one day. He carried out most of the
maintenance on
> > the machinery in that one day. This was excellent value and a
number of
> > bugs
> > in the machinery were fixed. He was payed for a days CRT work.
Costs for
> > repairs, parts etc came out of woodwork budget.
> >
> > It would be good to hear of other solutions that teachers have
used that
> > work and could help solve problems in the short term.
> >
> > Richard Bazeley
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: destech-bounces at edulists.com.au
> > [mailto:destech-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Wragg, Gary
G
> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 9:30 AM
> > To: Design and Technology Teachers' Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [Design and Technology] election promise
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry to continue the 'Forum' as such, but it is good to hear
tech
> > teachers
> > finally speaking out and a few points are worth elaborating
upon.
> >
> > 1. Teaching conditions
> >
> > In the 1970's, class sizes in workshops were capped at 20. Rooms
were set
> > up
> > for 20 with a max of 24. Staff were allocated 'machining time' in
lieu of
> > a
> > technical assistant. Over the last 30 years our conditions have
> > deteriorated
> > and programs have been compromised. The transition from
trade-based to
> > design-based learning increases workloads and has dramatically
altered the
> > function of technology teachers. Students' work requires
individual
> > machining - different from the old 'industrial model' where all
did the
> > same
> > thing. Teachers are now forced to spend more time in the
machining rooms
> > leaving up to 28 students unsupervised in a workshop full of
sharp things!
> > Huge problems with responsibility!!
> >
> > 2. Technology Assistants
> >
> > Trade teachers in the past maintained their own equipment,
repaired and
> > built furniture, etc. With the current paucity of tradespeople,
this now
> > needs to be either outsourced - or more likely - facilities just
fall into
> > disrepair. When I asked for a Tech assistant (a la Food Tech,
Science and
> > languages, etc!) to assist with maintenance and machining VCE
work, and
> > despite a recognition of the need, the standard response was that
there
> > 'was
> > no budget allocation available - nor likely to be unless
government
> > provides
> > it'. Budgets are documents that reflect the priorities of a
school and
> > government. The implications are obvious.
> >
> > 3. Provision of Resources.
> >
> > Capital equipment costs are a huge impost on school budgets. Much
of the
> > valuable machinery was disposed of with the demise of the Techs
and little
> > has been replaced. Yet, the demands on a growing Technology
curriculum
> > have
> > increased exponentially. Out-dated, unsafe equipment and
resources impact
> > heavily on the classroom and confidence of teachers.
> >
> > On a final note, I recently contacted Lorraine Tran and the TEAV
about
> > supply of technology software for schools being provided by the
government
> > in a similar manner to the Laptop and Microsoft programs. The
responses
> > from
> > both were heartening, particularly given the political
restraints
> > operating
> > around them. I guess we should now support them in supporting
us.
> >
> > I applaud those who have taken up these important issues.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gary Wragg
> >
> > Rosebud Secondary College
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: destech-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Hallsworth,
John J
> > Sent: Mon 16/04/2007 8:59 PM
> > To: Design and Technology Teachers' Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [Design and Technology] election promise
> >
> > Well it's really interesting to hear a few colleagues speaking
out over
> > the
> > conditions we face and our lack of "real" support and resourcing.
Of
> > course, we have all been thinking those same thoughts but haven't
had an
> > oopportunity to voice them. The biggest problem is, I believe,
isolation.
> > Technology teachers - "tradies" if you like, have dropped off the
top of
> > the
> > pile through retirements disillusionment and frustration. There
are so
> > many
> > of us who are working in schools where the technology staff has
been cut
> > back significantly and is being propped up by teachers who are
not really
> > qualified to teach the resistant materials and technology
subjects, God
> > love
> > 'em. Blind Freddy could see that it is near impossible to do
justice to
> > the
> > running of a technology facility, when you have to teach a full
load. It
> > is
> > akin to being a shop foreman in industry, and also having to work
full
> > time
> > on the bench. I think there has been a view over recent years
that
> > technology or trade subjects would just go away and die if you
starved
> > them
> > of resources, However, that doesn't appear to be about to happen
because
> > the popular view is now that technology subjects are vital to the
future
> > of
> > our students. So, if that's the case, then the Government,
Principals and
> > College councils need to put their hands in their pockets and
provide us
> > with the same support that Literacy, Numeracy, Science, Food
tech,
> > Integration and ICT (to name but a few) receive. Back to the
subject of
> > Isolation - there needs to be a body (possibly TEAV) that will
act as a
> > voice for technology teachers on the hard issues. A voice that
will
> > gather
> > together the facts (we know the government loves to measure data)
and
> > present them in a rational, but forceful way, not for my sake or
your
> > sake,
> > but for the sake of our students who are, I believe, getting a
raw deal
> > through the unrealistic demands on us all.
> >
> >
> >
> > John Hallsworth
> >
> > Montmorency Secondary College
> >
> > Para Rd, Montmorency, 3094
> >
> > Ph: 9435 6399 Fax: 9434 6259
> >
> > visit www.vcedesigntech.com <http://www.vcedesigntech.com/> -
you just
> > might find it useful !
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: destech-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of
> > fbu at brightp12.vic.edu.au
> > Sent: Mon 16/04/07 4:32 PM
> > To: destech at edulists.com.au
> > Subject: RE: [Design and Technology] election promise
> >
> >
> >
> > John Hallsworth
> >
> > Montmorency Secondary College
> >
> > Para Rd, Montmorency, 3094
> >
> > Ph: 9435 6399 Fax: 9434 6259
> >
> > visit www.vcedesigntech.com <http://www.vcedesigntech.com/> -
you just
> > might find it useful !
> >
> > Yeah, I can relate to that. No time allowance or recognition
(unless it is
> > convenient for admin) for ordering materials, sharpening,
maintenance,
> > fixing, getting quotes etc for repairs, adjusting equipment ,
record and
> > accounts keeping, etc. There is only me here in Bright, and I run
both
> > wood
> > and metal tech from year 8 to 12. With a full teaching load it is
now
> > impossible to keep up with the maintenance. Some band aid
sollutions
> > included an attempt to get Rotary Club to send volunteers. This
took a
> > fair
> > bit of time to set up and only lasted one session. I now have a
retired
> > gent to do some for cash - he is good so far but tends to go for
holidays
> > during the winter. I have had 7 years of negotiations with the
principals
> > and the powers that be. The bottom line is always that, according
to
> > principals of other like schools, their tech staff seem to cope
well
> > without
> > additional assistance and do all this work within their
class-room
> > preparation time. Apart from that there is no
> > funding.
> >
> > So my question is, are the tech areas well maintained, and who
does the
> > work? (and are these people fairly reimbursed for that work?).
Because
> > sure
> > as hell I cannot do that part of the job effectively on a full
teaching
> > load.
> >
> > Fran Burgers
> >
> > "Ripley, Robert R" <ripley.robert.r at edumail.vic.gov.au> on Sun,
15 Apr
> > 2007 10:43:10 +1000 wrote:
> >> After 2 days at school during the term break, doing jobs that
could not
> >> be
> > done during school days because of teaching committments,
(General machine
> > maintenence, changing cutters, repairing/sharpening tools,
> > unloading/stacking material deliveries), all the while observing
that
> > Science, Food, IT etc have assistant teaching personel, I'd
suggest an
> > addition to your note to the Minister -
> >>
> >> Staffing the 'Technical' areas with suitably skilled teachers
and
> > appropriate servicing personel is as important as funding for
equipment
> > and
> > building replacement/upgrade.
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