[Informatics] informatics Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7
Vera Cook
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Wed Nov 17 22:09:53 UTC 2021
Hi all,
My year 10 numbers are really good in the 20s or so but they love multimedia and webdesign and after year 10 programming some find it hard. I don’t know if C# in year 10 may be too much for them but the kids that do get through and do well tend to go into computing and do extremely well in Software Development. I have a girl working on voice to text and text to voice in C# in year 10 and has most of it working really well.
Vera
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Good morning Marylou and Vera - this sounds like a mirror image of my experience over the years.
Thank-you for your feedback; I can see that what's happening in my school is not so unusual.
Litsa 💟
On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 8:17 AM Marylou Monaghan <monaghmc at mlc.vic.edu.au<mailto:monaghmc at mlc.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
Hi All,
When I started at my school in 1999 there were three classes of VCE Processing and Management at both year 11 and 12. Here I am 23 years later and there are no senior classes at all in year 11 and 12 in any digital technology subjects. Over the years I have taught VCE Computing, IB ITGS and VET Digital Media and none of them are now running. I had only 5 students in year 12 VCE in 2020. I only had 10 students in year 10 computing this year.
Regards,
Marylou
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Hi everyone,
I agree, I always had large numbers and then the numbers significantly declined and I have taught double and triple VCE classes, since my school bought in laptops throughout the year levels and integrated IT into other subjects many students do not have the skill levels. I have asked many students why they have not done IT in VCE and responses include that they are not good enough on their computers or many feel that they need to do Maths and Science combinations especially Psychology as they feel that it will benefit them more in the future.
I am not sure what is happening in other schools, even in my year 10 classes I have limited students who really want to continue with IT I seem to get many who just want to learn the basics.
Thankyou Vera
BTY did anyone else have software development this year and if so what did you think of the exam.
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Thank-you Roland and Kevork for your support.
I do remember those mid 90s numbers. We had 3 classes of about 25. But a programming class of 2 and then 5.
These programs sound amazing and I will look into it further.
Thankfully for that small cohort of students, my school chose to run both subjects, separately. We do have cases of small classes in specialist maths, language and product design, and a couple of others. I'll count my blessings this year, but I have the feeling the school might not be so generous next time around. Thank goodness for my HHD method :-)
Have a lovely evening all and take good care of yourselves.
Litsa 🍀🌷
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 5:45 PM Kevork Krozian <kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au<mailto:kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
Hi Folks
Shrinking VCE Applied Computing numbers is a sad reality for most schools.
Compare that with our mid 1990s heyday when VCE Processing and Management was the third highest enrolment of any VCE study ( happy to be corrected if I am not 100% correct here ).
Much effort has been expended in the last decade trying to revive our studies but sadly we haven't found a cure yet.
At VCE Unit 3-4 we offer Data Analytics, Software Development, HESS Algorithmics, VET IT Certificate II, VET IT Certificate III , VET Cisco.
VET Cisco counts as two Unit 3-4 credits ( one per year ) and Algorithmics can fast track students in tertiary IT and Computer Science courses.
Quite the feast for the IT lover, spoilt for choice, yet we are undoubtedly shrinking overall.
I have taught five out of six and been an examiner on the sixth. Very rewarding.
Is there any other field that offers six options at VCE Units 3-4 or VCAL ?
At Ringwood Training we have managed to help students who would otherwise miss out in their home school through the provision of three VET in Schools courses:
1. VET Certificate III in IT ( Networking and Cybersecurity ) - can be a scored or a non-scored study
2. VET Certificate III in IT ( Multimedia and Gaming) - can be a scored or a non-scored study
3. VET Cisco CCNA ( Cisco Certified Network Associate ) - only non-scored with a 10% ATAR bonus contribution per year of Cisco.
We tend to have up to 120 students from almost 50 schools in these courses across two year levels of VCE/VET/VCAL.
Without this aggregation I don't know that any one school would find these courses viable sad to say.
Students continue beyond Yr 12 to post school pathways (see attached ) which we often combine with employment usually on a part time basis with our industry contacts.
I haven't solved your local problems Litsa and Xin, however if the alternative is these students miss out totally,
getting them to a different location will be the smaller of two evils.
Kindest Regards
Kevork Krozian
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G’day Litsa, i am curious if any institutions are running a distance education version of VET IT. Just curious.
Kevork does this with a team at Ringwood SC. I have met some of his students and they do some great work.
For others following this thread, check out in the other email that I shared what we do at VSV to support teaching AC, DA and SD for VCE students.
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On 17 Nov 2021, at 2:15 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au<mailto:htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
Oh wow - we have had this in the past but cancelled the VET IT course - although I think it may suit some of our students who may not wanted to take on the VCE courses.
We have a class of 4 and 7 next year (11 & 12 respectively).
Thank-you for your reply,
Litsa :-)
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 2:01 PM Chen, Xin <xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au<mailto:xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
Hi Litsa,
Yes, this is happening. My school is even worse—Applied Computing is replaced by VET IT from Y10 to Y12 now. Such a shame!
Thanks
Regards
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Hello 🌻
I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and
Data Analytics numbers for 2022?
We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than
this year.
Just checking - thank-you,
I hope all is well 🍄
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Final enrolment numbers in AC, DA or SD can vary widely from school to school across different years. It’s complex for a range of reasons. Many years ago I discovered that it mattered how computing was promoted in our school (7-10), how it was perceived by parents even in the junior year levels (events like Grok challenges or computing clubs) and even, what it was blocked against in the VCE timetable.
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> We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than this year.
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> Just checking - thank-you,
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