[Informatics] informatics Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7
Litsa Tzelepis
htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au
Wed Nov 17 21:42:14 UTC 2021
Good morning Marylou and Vera - this sounds like a mirror image of my
experience over the years.
Thank-you for your feedback; I can see that what's happening in my school
is not so unusual.
Litsa đź’ź
On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 8:17 AM Marylou Monaghan <monaghmc at mlc.vic.edu.au>
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> When I started at my school in 1999 there were three classes of VCE
> Processing and Management at both year 11 and 12. Here I am 23 years later
> and there are no senior classes at all in year 11 and 12 in any digital
> technology subjects. Over the years I have taught VCE Computing, IB ITGS
> and VET Digital Media and none of them are now running. I had only 5
> students in year 12 VCE in 2020. I only had 10 students in year 10
> computing this year.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Marylou
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* informatics <informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Vera
> Cook
> *Sent:* Thursday, 18 November 2021 7:37 AM
> *To:* Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List <
> informatics at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Informatics] informatics Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7
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>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> I agree, I always had large numbers and then the numbers significantly
> declined and I have taught double and triple VCE classes, since my school
> bought in laptops throughout the year levels and integrated IT into other
> subjects many students do not have the skill levels. I have asked many
> students why they have not done IT in VCE and responses include that they
> are not good enough on their computers or many feel that they need to do
> Maths and Science combinations especially Psychology as they feel that it
> will benefit them more in the future.
>
>
>
> I am not sure what is happening in other schools, even in my year 10
> classes I have limited students who really want to continue with IT I seem
> to get many who just want to learn the basics.
>
>
>
> Thankyou Vera
>
>
>
> BTY did anyone else have software development this year and if so what did
> you think of the exam.
>
>
>
> *From:* informatics <informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Litsa
> Tzelepis
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 November 2021 7:26 PM
> *To:* Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List <
> informatics at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Informatics] informatics Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7
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>
> Thank-you Roland and Kevork for your support.
>
> I do remember those mid 90s numbers. We had 3 classes of about 25. But a
> programming class of 2 and then 5.
>
>
>
> These programs sound amazing and I will look into it further.
>
>
>
> Thankfully for that small cohort of students, my school chose to run both
> subjects, separately. We do have cases of small classes in specialist
> maths, language and product design, and a couple of others. I'll count my
> blessings this year, but I have the feeling the school might not be so
> generous next time around. Thank goodness for my HHD method :-)
>
>
>
> Have a lovely evening all and take good care of yourselves.
>
> Litsa 🍀🌷
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 5:45 PM Kevork Krozian <kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
>
>
>
> Shrinking VCE Applied Computing numbers is a sad reality for most
> schools.
>
>
>
> Compare that with our mid 1990s heyday when VCE Processing and Management
> was the third highest enrolment of any VCE study ( happy to be corrected if
> I am not 100% correct here ).
>
> Much effort has been expended in the last decade trying to revive our
> studies but sadly we haven't found a cure yet.
>
>
>
> At VCE Unit 3-4 we offer Data Analytics, Software Development, HESS
> Algorithmics, VET IT Certificate II, VET IT Certificate III , VET Cisco.
>
> VET Cisco counts as *two *Unit 3-4 credits ( one per year ) and
> Algorithmics can fast track students in tertiary IT and Computer Science
> courses.
>
> Quite the feast for the IT lover, spoilt for choice, yet we are
> undoubtedly shrinking overall.
>
> I have taught five out of six and been an examiner on the sixth. Very
> rewarding.
>
>
>
> Is there any other field that offers six options at VCE Units 3-4 or VCAL ?
>
>
>
> At Ringwood Training we have managed to help students who would otherwise
> miss out in their home school through the provision of three VET in Schools
> courses:
>
>
>
> 1. VET Certificate III in IT ( Networking and Cybersecurity ) - can be a
> scored or a non-scored study
>
> 2. VET Certificate III in IT ( Multimedia and Gaming) - can be a scored
> or a non-scored study
>
> 3. VET Cisco CCNA ( Cisco Certified Network Associate ) - only
> non-scored with a 10% ATAR bonus contribution per year of Cisco.
>
>
>
> We tend to have up to 120 students from almost 50 schools in these courses
> across two year levels of VCE/VET/VCAL.
>
> Without this aggregation I don't know that any one school would find these
> courses viable sad to say.
>
>
>
> Students continue beyond Yr 12 to post school pathways (see attached )
> which we often combine with employment usually on a part time basis with
> our industry contacts.
>
>
>
> I haven't solved your local problems Litsa and Xin, however if the
> alternative is these students miss out totally,
>
> getting them to a different location will be the smaller of two evils.
>
>
>
> Kindest Regards
>
>
>
>
>
> Kevork Krozian
>
> IT Pathways Manager
>
> Ringwood Training
>
> Tel 0419 356 034
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>
>
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> *From:* Roland Gesthuizen <rgesthuizen at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 November 2021 5:19 PM
> *To:* Edulist 12DA <informatics at edulists.com.au>
> *Cc:* Kevork Krozian <kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Informatics] informatics Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7
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>
>
> G’day Litsa, i am curious if any institutions are running a distance
> education version of VET IT. Just curious.
>
>
>
> Kevork does this with a team at Ringwood SC. I have met some of his
> students and they do some great work.
>
>
>
> For others following this thread, check out in the other email that I
> shared what we do at VSV to support teaching AC, DA and SD for VCE
> students.
>
>
>
> Regards Roland
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> On 17 Nov 2021, at 2:15 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
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> Oh wow - we have had this in the past but cancelled the VET IT course -
> although I think it may suit some of our students who may not wanted to
> take on the VCE courses.
>
>
>
> We have a class of 4 and 7 next year (11 & 12 respectively).
>
>
>
> Thank-you for your reply,
>
> Litsa :-)
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> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 2:01 PM Chen, Xin <xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
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> Hi Litsa,
>
> Yes, this is happening. My school is even worse—Applied Computing is
> replaced by VET IT from Y10 to Y12 now. Such a shame!
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards
>
> Xin
>
> Xin Chen
>
> Head of Digital Technologies
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> xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au
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> Hello 🌻
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> I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and
> Data Analytics numbers for 2022?
>
> We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than
> this year.
>
> Just checking - thank-you,
> I hope all is well 🍄
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> Final enrolment numbers in AC, DA or SD can vary widely from school to
> school across different years. It’s complex for a range of reasons. Many
> years ago I discovered that it mattered how computing was promoted in our
> school (7-10), how it was perceived by parents even in the junior year
> levels (events like Grok challenges or computing clubs) and even, what it
> was blocked against in the VCE timetable.
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> > We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than
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> > Just checking - thank-you,
> > I hope all is well 🍄
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