[Informatics] [Year 12 SofDev] Enrolment numbers

Thu May 23 04:26:33 UTC 2019

I cynically suspect that the Informatics course was trying to exploit
students' interest in soft sciences like psych and sociology and
communication-rich exercises (the MMOS) - maybe to lure oestrogen-enabled
punters.

Didn't work.

Kids who wanted IT expected to get IT.
Informatics gave them hypotheses, stats, and just enough IT to make these
happen.

Kids who want soft science and communications do psych/sociology/drama.
Informatics gave them 2NF, The Privacy Act 1988 and user flow diagrams.

Informatics didn't really deliver anything much to anyone.
As I've said before, I believe IPM/ITA/Informatics is still riding through
the desert on a horse with no name looking for an identity.

Just my 2.2 cents. Spend it wisely.

😲

On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 12:11, Lisa Kerekes <Lisa.Kerekes at donvale.vic.edu.au>
wrote:

> The numbers seem to reflect young people’s desire to learn about
> themselves and the world, to help others, and make a difference.
>
> Q: How can Computing show its relevance (and perhaps applications for tech
> to solve problems) in these areas?
>
> Just what went through my mind.
>
> Lisa K
>
>
> > On 23 May 2019, at 10:11 am, Rattan, Kushum L <
> rattan.kushum.l at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
> >
> > Another growing subject at my school is Sociology where they look at all
> the current issues facing societies such as refugees, terrorism, migration,
> ageing etc and the kids love it.
> >
> > Kushum Rattan
> > ICT Curriculum Area Leader
> > VET Co-ordinator
> > Gisborne Secondary College
> > Phone: 03 54283691
> > rattan.kushum.l at edumail.vic.gov.au
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> On Behalf Of Stephen
> Trouse
> > Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2019 8:03 AM
> > To: sofdev at edulists.com.au
> > Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Enrolment numbers
> >
> > As I suspected.  Psych numbers burgeoning!  The future is therapy!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> On Behalf Of
> sofdev-request at edulists.com.au
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> >   1. Re: Enrollment Numbers (Mark)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 16:20:10 +1000
> > From: Mark <mark at vceit.com>
> > To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"
> > <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> > Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Enrollment Numbers
> > Message-ID:
> > <CACu=8Z0vU7F3wwbLQR5mEom8QzqcR5e4KnEpcJiFwS87xgJXfw at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > *2001*
> > *Psych U1*
> > Male 2,922
> > Female 10,179
> > Total 13,101
> >
> > *Psych U3*
> > M 2,852
> > F 10,068
> > Total 12,920
> >
> > ---------------------------
> > *2018*
> > *Psych U1*
> > M 5,119
> > F 12,605
> > Total 17,739 (includes 15 intersex students)
> >
> > *Psych U3*
> > M 4,479
> > F 11,435
> > Total 15,927 (includes 13 intersex students)
> >
> > *Boys are picking up psych!*
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 15:14, Stephen Trouse <
> Stephen.Trouse at flinders.vic.edu.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd like to see the numbers for Psychology as a comparison.
> >>
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> >>   1. Re: Enrollment Numbers (Litsa Tzelepis)
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:44:10 +1000
> >> From: Litsa Tzelepis <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>
> >> To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"
> >>        <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> >> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Enrollment Numbers
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> >>
> >> no no - mark collated the data and chart while I was shuffling papers
> >> - he's the genius -
> >> 😃
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 2:20 PM Jolly, Michael D <
> >> Jolly.Michael.D at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow!
> >>>
> >>> Oh yeah, and “good job”!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike Jolly from Kyneton
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Litsa
> >>> Tzelepis
> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 May 2019 1:45 PM
> >>> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> >>> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Enrollment Numbers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> so.... for the last hour I have been clicking around with a notepad
> >>> and 2B pencil - lol
> >>>
> >>> thanks mark - litsa
> >>>
> >>> 📝
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 1:31 PM Mark <mark at vceit.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> IT enrolments - the complete sad tale from 2001 to 2018
> >>>
> >>> [image: computing enrolments 2001-2018.jpg]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You can get the full XLSX in the attachment. Let me know if you have
> >>> issues with it - I created in in LibreOffice.
> >>>
> >>> (And yes, it includes male and female breakdowns.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Enjoy - and try not to weep.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 12:37, Litsa Tzelepis
> >>> <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Excellent everyone - I really appreciate your help?
> >>>
> >>> Litsa 🌻
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:07 PM Scott Wallace <
> >>> Scott.Wallace at beaconhills.vic.edu.au> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Any chance of getting the breakdown between male and female enrolments?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Scott Wallace *
> >>>
> >>> *Head of House (Rich) *
> >>>
> >>> *Head of Campus eLearning and Information Technology*
> >>>
> >>> *Beaconhills College, Pakenham*
> >>>
> >>> *(03) 5945-3014*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *[image: email_Sig]*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Mark
> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 May 2019 12:06 PM
> >>> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> >>> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Enrollment Numbers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> hehehe. I followed Geoff's link and was amused to find the
> >>> enrolments in
> >>> *2001*:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> IT 1 - *17,113*
> >>>
> >>> Information Processing and Management U3 - *13,344*
> >>>
> >>> Information Systems U3 (SD) - *3,346*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And in *2015*...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> IT1 - *4,959*
> >>>
> >>> IT Apps - *2,651*
> >>>
> >>> SD - *1,385*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How times change
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 11:48, Mark <mark at vceit.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Earlier I found 2016 and 2017.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [image: computing 2016-2017.jpg]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I just found 2018 here
> >>> <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
> >>> ww
> >>> .vcaa.vic.edu.au%2FPages%2Fvce%2Fstatistics%2F2018%2Fstatssect2.aspx
> >>> &d
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> >>> ved=0>
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [image: computing 2016-2018.jpg]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Informatics died a long, horrible - yet predictable - death.
> >>>
> >>> 💀
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 10:28, Litsa Tzelepis
> >>> <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good morning,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> is there anywhere that I can access the enrollment numbers for
> >>> Computing
> >>> (11 & 12) over the last few years?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We are heading into subject selection confirmation lists over the
> >>> next few days.
> >>>
> >>> I'd appreciate any direction - not to worry if it doesn't exist -
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Have a great day,
> >>>
> >>> Litsa 🌼
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
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