[Informatics] Adventures in Libre Office

Thu Mar 23 05:49:01 AEDT 2017

Absolutely loving my new job lecturing IT at Monash Uni and supporting pre-service teachers. Always on the lookout if anybody can take on somebody, even for methods beyond IT.

This list has become even more important for me. Thanks everybody for your posts and reshares! I hope that I can chip in my 2 cents worth :-)

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Roland GESTHUIZEN
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> On 23 Mar 2017, at 1:18 am, Mark <mark at vceit.com> wrote:
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> Thanks, Roland. I had forgotten about Gantter.
>  How are things going where you are?
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> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 at 9:16 PM, Roland Gesthuizen <rgesthuizen at gmail.com <mailto:rgesthuizen at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Another one to add to the free list is Gantter .. I have used this before http://gantter.com <http://gantter.com/> .. does a quite decent job, easy for students to use with Google Spreadsheet.
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> Here is an orientation video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILRIlaVMQ9A <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILRIlaVMQ9A> 7:45 min
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> Roland GESTHUIZEN
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>> On 22 Mar 2017, at 5:17 pm, Colley, Elizabeth E <colley.elizabeth.e at edumail.vic.gov.au <mailto:colley.elizabeth.e at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
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>> They’ve got a bit more h/wk time, and next week I’ll get them to try the favourites with a practice scenario.  
>> So far…
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>> Good
>> No Good
>> ZOHO - https://www.zoho.com/projects/gantt-charts.html <https://www.zoho.com/projects/gantt-charts.html>
>> This website has a free trial, however - We can only make one project, accompanied by 10MBof accessible space.  (SAM & RIKASH)
>> This website is easy to navigate around.
>> Tableau
>> https://www.tableau.com/products/trial#system-requirements <https://www.tableau.com/products/trial#system-requirements>
>> There is a free trial of 14 days.
>> User has to pay for either the personal version ($999 USD) or the professional version (1,999 USD)
>> Expensive.
>> Smart Sheet -
>> Free trial for 29 days
>> Cheap to use compared to other programs
>> Can export into different formats
>> Has the ability to print
>> Can share to different users
>> Can Save online 
>> Can import data
>> Can email to others
>> fairly easy to navigate around the website
>> Smart Sheet:
>> Have to pay after free trial ends
>> Must register with email
>> $14 dollars a month
>> https://ganttpro.com/ <https://ganttpro.com/> 
>> GanttPro
>> ·         Not completely free 0
>> ·         Email verification -1
>> ·         Colour scheme is pleasing +2
>> ·         English or Russian +1
>> ·         Clear starter layout +1
>> ·         Can input data +1
>> ·         Cant export or save unless pro -3
>> Total: 2/10
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>> Gantt Project
>> Free
>> http://www.ganttproject.biz/ <http://www.ganttproject.biz/>
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>> Offline
>> Exportable
>> https://dapulse.com <https://dapulse.com/>
>> Requires to Pay after 3 months
>> https://www.tomsplanner.com/software/project-planning/pricingsignup.aspx <https://www.tomsplanner.com/software/project-planning/pricingsignup.aspx>
>>  
>> This allows you to do ONE PROJECT and it’s stored online! However, thats all we need!!! And worst case scenario - We can buy it and do 20 projects and its just under $10! --- Do have a look at this website!
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>> Project Manager
>> https://www.projectmanager.com <https://www.projectmanager.com/>
>> Absolutely, positively horrible. The colour scheme was disgusting, and you had to insert your card details to continue with the “30 day free trial”
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>> Like look how gross it is!
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>> Liz Colley
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>> Year 7 Assistant Educational Year Level Leader             
>> English and Computing Teacher
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>> From: informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au <mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au <mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au>] On Behalf Of Mark
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2017 4:59 PM
>> To: Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List <informatics at edulists.com.au <mailto:informatics at edulists.com.au>>
>> Subject: Re: [Informatics] Adventures in Libre Office
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>> And... ?  
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>> I'd very much like to hear about their findings.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Mark
>>  
>> On 22 March 2017 at 16:50, Colley, Elizabeth E <colley.elizabeth.e at edumail.vic.gov.au <mailto:colley.elizabeth.e at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
>> My students had a fun time creating a google doc, with each pair testing out a different ‘free’ Gantt chart software and posting their results and recommendations. 
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>>  
>> Liz Colley
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>> Year 7 Assistant Educational Year Level Leader             
>> English and Computing Teacher
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>> From: informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au <mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au <mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au>] On Behalf Of Robert Hind
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2017 4:17 PM
>> To: 'Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List' <informatics at edulists.com.au <mailto:informatics at edulists.com.au>>
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>> Subject: Re: [Informatics] Adventures in Libre Office
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>> Attack gerbils indeed!
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>> I would like to point out that
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>> "Gerbils and hamsters are classified as exotic rodents and they not allowed in Australia because they are a threat to the local ecosystem. That is, if they were to escape into the wild, they may start breeding and threaten native flora and fauna." http://www.petpages.com.au/a/lifestyle/why_cant_i_buy_a_gerbil_or_hamster_in_australia <http://www.petpages.com.au/a/lifestyle/why_cant_i_buy_a_gerbil_or_hamster_in_australia>
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>> Robert Hind
>> Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
>> Retired
>>  
>> From: informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au <mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au <mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au>] On Behalf Of Mark
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2017 3:43 PM
>> To: Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Informatics] Adventures in Libre Office
>> 
>> Hi James
>>  
>> If I needed a guard animal, I'd get a dog. I would not train a gerbil to attack intruders.
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>> Similarly, if I need to create Gantt charts, I'd use a dedicated Gantt chart tool, and not expect a spreadsheet to do a job for which it is completely inappropriate.
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>> - Does an Excel 2016 Gantt do proper dependency arrows? I can't find that.* 
>> - Does Excel handle milestones automatically when a task's duration is set to zero?
>> - Importantly, if a task is moved or changed, do other tasks automatically change to accommodate the adjustment - or do you have to manually drag all affected tasks around to reflect the change? The SAC requires chart adjustments to be demonstrated, and manual adjustment of all consequential task changes is a real buzz-kill.
>> - Can you allocate resources to a task? Will it warn that resources are double-booked? (Not that this is required for Informatics, but it's a very handy feature)
>> - Is it free?
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>> Far better, dedicated, no-cost Gantt software is easily available. 
>> Why spend weeks training a gerbil to bark and assault strangers?
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>> And yes, I agree that Google apps have much to commend them, but they also lack the features of dedicated tools.
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>> And do Google docs work offline? I remember once sitting in the waiting room of a gerbil training academy that had no wifi, and could not produce a Gantt chart online. It was very distressing.
>>  
>> Mark
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>> * It may explain why - before the 2016 Info exam - VCAA exams' Gantt questions have no dependency arrows or milestone diamonds. I can imagine the old exam-setting group at work:
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>> A: We need to depict a Gantt chart in this IPM exam !
>> B: Great! Let's show a Gantt chart that lacks all of the most vital features of a real Gantt chart, like the arrows and diamonds!
>> A: Fantastic! Let's do that thing. But wait! Do you think it might confuse students who have learned what a real Gantt chart looks like?
>> B: Ha Ha Ha. Yes indeed. But if we downloaded and used real Gantt chart software tool - that would be really - um - free and quick and easy ... But you know Microsoft's slogan: "What the hell. Let's use Excel!"
>> A: But isn't that like training a gerbil to be an attack animal?
>> B: Golly. You must be psychic. That analogy won't be raised until March 2017.
>> A: Jeepers. That's spooky!
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>> On 22 March 2017 at 14:37, Vella, James <jvella at mackillop.vic.edu.au <mailto:jvella at mackillop.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
>> And I’m guessing the latest version of Libre Calc doesn’t allow you to make Gantt charts like Excel 2016 does!
>>  
>> If you’re looking for a free productivity suite (with plenty of resources to boot), Google might be the better answer.
>>  
>> JV
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