[Informatics] Notes during U3O1

Mon Mar 14 13:15:50 AEDT 2016

Hi Scott. I tended to find that students who really *needed* access to lots
of resources during a SAC were under-prepared and did less well. Usually
they would spend most of their time thrashing through the resources because
they didn't even know which resource was relevant.

Kids who knew their stuff didn't need much,if any, external support. They
might benefit from an occasional memory-jogger here or there, but they had
the deep understanding wouldn't have been found in any reference source.

Cheers
Mark

On 14 March 2016 at 12:58, McCleary Scott <McCS at jpc.vic.edu.au> wrote:

> So I was going to ask the same question, “what, if anything are people
> allowing students to bring into the SAC with them?”
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> Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems like most people here are saying
> they’re happy for students to use whatever resources they can?  That is,
> text book and then possibly their notes and even Internet access?
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> I guess I’m used to other subjects where resources are not usually
> allowed, but how does allowing them access to all the information
> differentiate between ability?  I would expect that in allowing access to
> this material that I would get a lot solutions that are going to look very
> similar.
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> Just wanting to clarify.  It’s my first time teaching the subject so
> wanting to make sure that I’m being fair based on what others are doing
> with their classes.
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> Cheers,
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> Scott
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> *From:* informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Trouse
> *Sent:* Friday, 11 March 2016 9:52 AM
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> *To:* Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Informatics] Notes during U3O1
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> I’m not sure when I said that preparation *wasn’t* necessary
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> *From:* informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au
> <informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On Behalf Of *Litsa Ztelepis
> *Sent:* Thursday, 10 March 2016 12:05 AM
> *To:* 'Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List' <
> informatics at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Informatics] Notes during U3O1
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> My lecturer at uni used to say that in the real world if you don’t know
> how to do something, you find out. You just want to make sure its not your
> heart surgeon performing a life saving procedure.
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> Time and place I guess – there’s nothing wrong with learning on the job;
> it just depends on the constraints of the job.
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> Learning can never be a problem, especially how you learn; as long as
> learning is taking place, it’s a good day.
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> Xx
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> *From:* informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au
> <informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On Behalf Of *Roland Gesthuizen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 9 March 2016 6:35 PM
> *To:* Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List <
> informatics at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Informatics] Notes during U3O1
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> Yes, it is akin to the challenge of learning how to operate a cement mixer
> during a concrete pour. Thumbing through an unfamiliar instruction manual
> won’t help.
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> Regards Roland
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> PS: Experience is what causes a person to make new mistakes instead of old
> ones.
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> On 9 Mar 2016, at 10:48 AM, Van Der Westhuizen, Eugene Y <
> VanDerWesthuizen.Eugene.Y at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
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> I agree and also reminded them that they don’t have time within the SAC to
> be searching the Internet to learn how to do something as that will impact
> on the amount of time they have to do the actual SAC work which reflects in
> their final score. The Internet and other resources should just be
> reference material. In the past the students who spend lots of time
> searching up how to do things generally fall well short of the high
> performance level because they’ve “wasted” their work time and had to rush
> the work .
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> *Eugene Van der Westhuizen*
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> *From:* informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au
> <informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Trouse
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 9 March 2016 9:43 AM
> *To:* Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Informatics] Notes during U3O1
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> In the professional world it is expected that workers will Google things.
> This, I believe, would be acceptable practice as framing the question and
> mentally filtering the results is a valuable skill that IT professionals
> require.
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> *From:* informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au
> <informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On Behalf Of *Poke, Michael C
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 March 2016 8:42 PM
> *To:* Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List <
> informatics at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Informatics] Notes during U3O1
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> I'm with Mark on this. Open book plus any other resources for practical
> SACs only. As long as those other resources aren't from other students. I
> do tell them that they need to be swatted up before any SAC session as they
> can't afford to be wasting time rummaging through their text book, etc
> during SAC time.
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> Cheers,
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> Michael
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 8 Mar 2016, at 2:04 PM, S.Bagh <S.Bagh at stmonicas-epping.com> wrote:
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> Same, I don’t allow any resources during actual SAC and use special
> network accounts to block any internet access and also usage of any mobile
> phone( internet).
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> Thanks
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> sid
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> *From:* informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au
> <informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On Behalf Of *Mark
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 March 2016 12:34 PM
> *To:* Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List <
> informatics at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Informatics] Notes during U3O1
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> I believe the answer is that it's the teacher's choice.
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> I tended to allow access to all resources during practical SACs, but never
> in tasks testing knowledge of theory.
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> Cheers
>
> Mark
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> On 8 March 2016 at 12:25, David B. Thomas <david.b.thomas at rmit.edu.au>
> wrote:
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> Another question if you don't mind? I am sure its been asked before.
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> Are the students permitted to bring hand written notes or photocopies into
> U3O1?
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> How about their books?
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> I actually think yes but I just wanted to see if it is permitted.
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> d.
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> --
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> Mark Kelly
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> mark at vceit.com
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