[Yr7-10it] Year 7-10 IT structures
Costello, Rob R
Costello.Rob.R at edumail.vic.gov.au
Sun Oct 14 15:11:06 EST 2007
Hi Anne Marie
Interesting topic for your phD
I haven't been on this list for a long time but I notice the point you
raised (are kids digital natives, what does that mean for education?)
seems to be a recurring theme
My feeling is some people here seem broadly ok with the "kids are
digital natives so don't fuss about teaching difficult ICT skills"
But I would say there is more passion around the view that this
seriously undermines the depth and range of "ICT" as a discipline
that's my feeling - we risk preparing them for everything except a
career as in technical ICT ...
you could search the archives for similar discussions
http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/yr7-10it/
(another topic, we could do with a search routine on the archive page -
maybe one of these php gurus could patch one together? -
(ps - no question most/many kids have English as their "native" language
- and that's WHY we mandate 12 years of formal study of English - so, if
kids are immersed in ICT, why not teach it properly, with proper
recognition of the range and depth of the "subject" - what would the
equivalent of a well written argumentative essay be? Etc
Cheers
Rob
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:53:51 +0800
> From: "Anne-Marie Chase" <rie at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: RE: [Yr7-10it] Year 7-10 IT structures
> To: "'Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List'"
> <yr7-10it at edulists.com.au>
> Message-ID: <000501c80e05$1274f7e0$0100000a at Rie>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> What do you all think about kids being highly skilled IT users as the
> media
> and research tells us i.e. Prenskys "Digital Natives" and Oblinger's
> "net-generation" is it a myth that kids are skilled users of
technology?
> If
> Prensky's research in America holds true for Australia surely kids
don't
> need ICT lessons?
>
>
>
> Downes research in primary schools in NSW also shows kids to be highly
> skilled. Kennedy's research of first year uni students at Melbourne
Uni
> again shows students to be highly skilled users.
>
>
>
> I'd be really interested in your opinions on this?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Anne-Marie
>
>
>
> Anne-Marie Chase
> Graduate School of Education
> The University of Western Australia
> web http://digital-kids.wikispaces.com <http://digital-
> kids.wikispaces.com/>
>
>
>
>
> P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
>
>
>
> Leanne Wright barbarloot at yahoo.com
> <mailto:yr7-10it%40edulists.com.au?Subject=%5BYr7-10it%5D%20Year%207-
> 10%20IT
> %20structures&In-Reply-
> To=341ac4150710110358j3d7d99fk67c890bee59439b4%40mail
> .gmail.com>
>
>
> Sun Oct 14 08:00:33 EST 2007
>
> I'm feeling fortunate to be at a school where IT is still a core
subject
> at
> Year 7, 9 & 10 where It runs for 3 periods a week for one semester.
Year
> 8s
> do a workshop subject and are timetabled in a computer room for 1
period
> where they use drawing programs to produce working drawings for their
> workshop projects (our technology teachers are all IT qualified). Next
> year
> these arrangements will remain substantially unchanged except for Year
10
> which will lose about of quarter of its present time allowance in the
> transition to 72 minute periods.
>
> When the status of IT was originally being discussed, I presented a
list
> of all the ICT skills that VELS required students to have, at which
point
> the committee involved realised very few non IT teachers would have
all
> these skills.decided to keep IT as a separate subject.
>
> I too am puzzled at the idea that 'integrating' IT into other
subjects
> will allow anything approaching an adequeate skills base for the
> 'information age' and current employer expectations. Why not
'integrate'
> the
> teaching of English into other subjects - after all we can all read
and
> write, and unlike IT, most if not all of us have done Year 12 English!
>
> Leanne Wright - Epping SC
>
>
> Colin SUTTON <oz.sutton at gmail.com
> <http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/yr7-10it> > wrote:
> Hi all
>
> My school, Montmorency SC, has NO compulsory ICT!
>
> A student can go through 6 years of schooling here and do NO formal
IT.
>
> No other school I have ever taught in (2 in Vic, 3 in QLD and 4 in the
UK)
> have ever had this!
>
> It seems unbelievable that in the Information Age students are not
> formally
> taught ANY ICT.
>
> They have to learn another language, do wood, metal, cooking and
sewing -
> useful and even essential - but the ONE thing none of them can avoid
is
> ICT!
>
>
> Sure, many can play games and surf to sites, but they are not formally
> taught a wide range of other useful or essentail skills.
>
> Schools I have taught in elsewhere had at least one semester of ICT at
> Year
> 7 (Yr 8 in QLD as secondary starts in Yr8).
>
> Most had an elective system that required them to do at least ONE or
more
> units at 8/9 or even again in Yr 10.
>
> Comments anyone?
>
>
> Regards
>
> COLIN _______________________________________________
> http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
> Year 7 - 10 IT Mailing List kindly supported by
> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
Authority
> and
> http://www.vitta.org.au - VITTA Victorian Information Technology
Teachers
> Association Inc
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web
> links.
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/yr7-
> 10it/attachments/20071013/936555ff/
> attachment.html
> _____
>
> size=2 width="100%" align=center>
>
> * Previous message: [Yr7-10it]
>
<http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/yr7-10it/2007-October/001267.html>
> Year 7-10 IT structures
> * Next message: [Yr7-10it]
>
<http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/yr7-10it/2007-October/001261.html>
> Life's a Party- Event Managment
> * Messages sorted by: [
> <http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/yr7-10it/2007-
> October/date.html#1269>
> date ] [
> <http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/yr7-10it/2007-
> October/thread.html#1269
> > thread ] [
> <http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/yr7-10it/2007-
> October/subject.html#126
> 9> subject ] [
> <http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/yr7-10it/2007-
> October/author.html#1269
> > author ]
>
> _____
>
> More <http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/yr7-10it>
information
> about the Yr7-10it mailing list
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Robert Minato
> Sent: 12 October 2007 13:30
> To: Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Yr7-10it] Year 7-10 IT structures
>
>
>
> Prior to 2007, all our yr7 classes did 2-3 periods a week for a
semester.
> This year, it is expected that IT is integrated into other subjects.
We
> have
> found that students arrive here with a good grasp of applications. The
yr7
> do one or two periods intro to IT mainly to familiarise non-apple
students
> with the mac system. IT is available as electives at yr9.
>
> Rob
>
> --
> Robert Minato
> Technology Leader
> Catholic College Wodonga
> 1 Bowman Crt
> Wodonga 3690
> 02 6043 5546
>
>
>
>
> On 11/10/07 8:58 PM, "Colin SUTTON" <oz.sutton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> My school, Montmorency SC, has NO compulsory ICT!
>
> A student can go through 6 years of schooling here and do NO formal
IT.
>
> No other school I have ever taught in (2 in Vic, 3 in QLD and 4 in the
UK)
> have ever had this!
>
> It seems unbelievable that in the Information Age students are not
> formally
> taught ANY ICT.
>
> They have to learn another language, do wood, metal, cooking and
sewing -
> useful and even essential - but the ONE thing none of them can avoid
is
> ICT!
>
>
> Sure, many can play games and surf to sites, but they are not formally
> taught a wide range of other useful or essentail skills.
>
> Schools I have taught in elsewhere had at least one semester of ICT at
> Year
> 7 (Yr 8 in QLD as secondary starts in Yr8).
>
> Most had an elective system that required them to do at least ONE or
more
> units at 8/9 or even again in Yr 10.
>
> Comments anyone?
>
>
> Regards
>
> COLIN _______________________________________________
> http://www.edulists.com.au <http://www.edulists.com.au>
> <http://www.edulists.com.au> - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
> Year 7 - 10 IT Mailing List kindly supported by
> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au <http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au>
> <http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au> - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
> Authority and
> http://www.vitta.org.au <http://www.vitta.org.au>
> <http://www.vitta.org.au> - VITTA Victorian Information Technology
> Teachers
> Association Inc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.edulists.com.au <http://www.edulists.com.au> - FAQ,
resources,
> subscribe, unsubscribe
> Year 7 - 10 IT Mailing List kindly supported by
> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au <http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au> - Victorian
> Curriculum and Assessment Authority and
> http://www.vitta.org.au <http://www.vitta.org.au> - VITTA Victorian
> Information Technology Teachers Association Inc
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/yr7-
> 10it/attachments/20071014/89b23987/attachment.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Yr7-10it mailing list
> Yr7-10it at edulists.com.au
> http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/yr7-10it
>
>
> End of Yr7-10it Digest, Vol 32, Issue 13
> ****************************************
Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Early Childhood Development.
More information about the Yr7-10it
mailing list