[Yr11 Information Technology] yr11it Digest, Vol 129, Issue 3

Thu Dec 10 13:43:28 AEDT 2015

Hi Geoff.
Interesting.

But at what *exact* point does the result change from being 'inaccurate' to
being 'incorrect'?

:-)

On 10 December 2015 at 13:15, Matheson, Geoff J <
matheson.geoff.j at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:

> First up: Mark has to be right – having such obvious synonyms in the same
> KK point without any clarification is really silly.
>
> But I wondered if accurate might more often refer to input – an accurate
> reflection of the real world, whereas correct might refer to output. E.g.
> if my max temperature for the day was 32 degrees C, and minimum temperature
> was 21 degrees – but it turns out my thermometer was in the sun – my
> results are inaccurate. But if I calculate that my temperature range was
> 111, then my results are incorrect.
>
> Clearly we're at the end of the year when we start getting invested in
> these discussions…
>
>
> *Geoff Matheson*
>
> Leading Teacher: Teaching and Learning Coach – Classroom Support
>
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>
> From: <yr11it-bounces at edulists.com.au> on behalf of Mark <mark at vceit.com>
> Reply-To: Year 11 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List <
> yr11it at edulists.com.au>
> Date: Thursday, 10 December 2015 at 1:05 PM
> To: Year 11 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List <
> yr11it at edulists.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Yr11 Information Technology] yr11it Digest, Vol 129, Issue 3
>
> OK. I broke out the big guns and pulled out the mighty *Shorter Oxford
> English Dictionary (volume 1)*.
> It says (paraphrased):
>
> *Accurate *
>
>    - exact or correct
>    - done with care
>
> *Correct*
>
>    - free from error
>    - accurate
>
> Gee. *Thanks*, SOED!
>
> One interesting example I found online was this:
>
> 'Disciplining children is right, but physical punishment is not the
> correct way.'
>
> 'Accurate' cannot be substituted for "correct" in that example.
> It seems that while "correct" is a superlative (something is either
> accurate or it's not), "accurate" is comparative, and allows a degree of
> exactness or precision.
>
> How that helps the key knowledge, I don't know.
> Perhaps it means that "data should be not wrong [correct] and closely
> resemble the actual value of the thing in the real world that they
> represent [accurate]".
>
> Regards
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 10 December 2015 at 12:37, Mark <mark at vceit.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Katherine. The ambiguity and overlap of the terms is a nuisance. Would
>> it not also be correct or accurate (!) to say that
>>
>> "
>> When calculating student attendance it would be
>>
>>    - *inaccurate* to only count days when students were in the classroom
>>    since excursions, incursions etc should also be included
>>    - *incorrect* if someone has erroneously marked the student present,
>>    or absent"
>>
>> I really wish VCAA would be more careful avoiding these lexical
>> conundrums that only serve to confuse rather than elucidate the key
>> knowledge.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mark
>>
>> On 10 December 2015 at 12:19, Young, Katherine A <
>> young.katherine.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>
>>> One possible interpretation:
>>>
>>>
>>>    - correctness means that the correct data items are collected/used
>>>    to generate the required information
>>>    - accuracy means that the values of the (correctly chosen) data
>>>    items are …. well, accurate!
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> Eg -
>>> 
>>> When calculating student attendance it would be
>>>
>>>    - incorrect to only count days when students were in the classroom
>>>    since excursions, incursions etc should also be included
>>>    - inaccurate if someone has erroneously marked the student present,
>>>    or absent
>>>
>>>
>>> Your thoughts????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Katherine Young*
>>> 11C Mentor
>>> Mathematics & Information Technology Teacher
>>>
>>> *Castlemaine Secondary College*
>>> *Etty Street Campus*
>>> Etty Street
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>>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 13:02:21 +1100
>>> From: Mark <mark at vceit.com>
>>> Subject: [Yr11 Information Technology] A Monday Challenge.
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>>> U1O3 KK5 - 'factors affecting the integrity of data, such as correctness,
>>> reasonableness and accuracy'
>>>
>>> Your challenge for today is: Work out a way to explain the difference
>>> between "correctness" and "accuracy" to a year 11 student.  The prize is
>>> 50
>>> brownie points.
>>>
>>> Yes, I realise the terms are only given as examples in the study design,
>>> and are not made mandatory by the word 'including', but I'm interested if
>>> anyone can clearly tease out the difference between two terms usually
>>> considered synonymous by everyone except scientists.
>>>
>>> The only thing I can suggest is that "accuracy" means "correctness" (free
>>> from error) but also has an whiff of 'precision' about it too...
>>>
>>> e.g. storing Pi as "3.14" may be *correct*, but not as *accurate* as
>>> "3.14159"
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mark Kelly
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>>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 02:18:16 +0000
>>> From: Chris Bucknell <Chris.Bucknell at haileybury.vic.edu.au>
>>> Subject: Re: [Yr11 Information Technology] A Monday Challenge.
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>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> A similar question was raised during my session at the DLTV in-service
>>> and in a nut shell (I can?t remember the excellent example that my audience
>>> provided):
>>>
>>> I can cut a piece of wood to be 2003mm in length (accuracy), but if I
>>> should have cut a piece of metal it would not be correct.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Chris Bucknell
>>> Head of ICT; Coord, Internal Exam; House Tutor
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>>>
>>> From: yr11it-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
>>> yr11it-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark
>>> Sent: Monday, 7 December 2015 1:02 PM
>>> To: Year 11 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List
>>> Subject: [Yr11 Information Technology] A Monday Challenge.
>>>
>>> U1O3 KK5 - 'factors affecting the integrity of data, such as
>>> correctness, reasonableness and accuracy'
>>>
>>> Your challenge for today is: Work out a way to explain the difference
>>> between "correctness" and "accuracy" to a year 11 student.  The prize is 50
>>> brownie points.
>>>
>>> Yes, I realise the terms are only given as examples in the study design,
>>> and are not made mandatory by the word 'including', but I'm interested if
>>> anyone can clearly tease out the difference between two terms usually
>>> considered synonymous by everyone except scientists.
>>>
>>> The only thing I can suggest is that "accuracy" means "correctness"
>>> (free from error) but also has an whiff of 'precision' about it too...
>>>
>>> e.g. storing Pi as "3.14" may be correct, but not as accurate as
>>> "3.14159"
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mark Kelly
>>>
>>> mark at vceit.com<mailto:mark at vceit.com>
>>> http://vceit.com
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>>> From: "Fitzpatrick, Michael" <michael.fitzpatrick at carey.com.au>
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>>> Like in maths; mark for correct answer but if not to the correct decimal
>>> places then lose a mark.
>>> Or lose all marks sometimes if correct but not accurate.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: yr11it-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
>>> yr11it-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark
>>> Sent: Monday, 7 December 2015 1:02 PM
>>> To: Year 11 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List <
>>> yr11it at edulists.com.au>
>>> Subject: [Yr11 Information Technology] A Monday Challenge.
>>>
>>> U1O3 KK5 - 'factors affecting the integrity of data, such as
>>> correctness, reasonableness and accuracy'
>>>
>>> Your challenge for today is: Work out a way to explain the difference
>>> between "correctness" and "accuracy" to a year 11 student.  The prize is 50
>>> brownie points.
>>>
>>> Yes, I realise the terms are only given as examples in the study design,
>>> and are not made mandatory by the word 'including', but I'm interested if
>>> anyone can clearly tease out the difference between two terms usually
>>> considered synonymous by everyone except scientists.
>>>
>>> The only thing I can suggest is that "accuracy" means "correctness"
>>> (free from error) but also has an whiff of 'precision' about it too...
>>>
>>> e.g. storing Pi as "3.14" may be correct, but not as accurate as
>>> "3.14159"
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mark Kelly
>>>
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>>> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 22:43:50 +0000
>>> From: Paul Pascoe <passyworld at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Yr11 Information Technology] Free Data Visualisation Online
>>> Apps ?
>>> To: "yr11it at edulists.com.au" <yr11it at edulists.com.au>
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>>> MEXPR01MB032543B8349023B3B55D108EC5E80 at MEXPR01MB0325.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com
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>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>> I am looking at Chapter 2 for VCE Computing, and need to know if anyone
>>> has some great online Infographic making software that is free and makes
>>> good products.
>>>
>>>
>>> I know about Infogram https://infogr.am/  and  Easelly
>>> http://www.easel.ly/
>>>
>>>
>>> BUT
>>>
>>>
>>> are there other ones like this, that are good to use for Y11 VCE
>>> Computing Unit 1 Outcome 1 ?
>>>
>>>
>>> I have also found some videos:
>>>
>>>
>>> Video About Infographics
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQbFX2QzbOI
>>>
>>>
>>> Animated Infographics are great like this one of the earth past and
>>> future
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XkV6IpV2Y0
>>>
>>> and this one from "The Infographics Show" YouTube Channel on Obesity:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkoC3HZwe7Q
>>>
>>> The Infographics Show channel on YouTube also has good presentations on
>>> water, and fast foods, and lots of other interesting topics.
>>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Pascoe
>>>
>>> ICT Teacher
>>>
>>> St Francis Xavier College Beaconsfield
>>>
>>>
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