[elearning] RE: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs/Parallel thinking

Sat Oct 4 08:05:32 EST 2008

Hi everyone,

I was unable to make it to the examiner's day on Thursday. 
Would anyone be kind enough to forward me any information, handouts etc from the day?  

Thanks,

Paul Sijpkes
THE KNOX SCHOOL

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Meadows, Roslyn M
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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Meadows, Roslyn M
Sent: Wed 18/06/2008 4:22 PM
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Subject: RE: [elearning] RE: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs/Parallel thinking

Suz - I think I may be the "colleague" Roland was referring to - I certainly remember showing him how I had my mac set up at a moodle day earlier this year.

And your school cannot stop you getting one, DEECD allow you to choose a mac so the school can't stop you, in fact they HAVE to also provide support (even though they - ie the techs -  may argue otherwise). And the support is free from mac (ie if something breaks) just like support from IBM.  But it is a mac, nothing will ever go wrong with it!!! When you get your mac the support details will be listed. 

Refer back to the email I posted to both this list and the ITApps list for some hints based on my use of the mac over the last 18 months or so.

It comes with both windows and mac software, it will come with the latest versions of Office for both. It will probably come with Leopard in mac and XP in Win as DEECD has still to work out how to get their wireless certificate to work with Vista.

It will not come with parallels - but you can reboot from mac to windows by hitting the option key.

Good luck, and don't let them pull the wool over your eyes - you have every right to choose the mac, and to get support for it!! (although this might be a tougher task to achieve)

Cheers

Ros

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From: elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of ARNOTT Suz
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 3:38 PM
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Subject: [elearning] RE: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs/Parallel thinking

OK. I have a year to wait before my next computer. but having been thrown that red rag of being told we are not allowed to. well I am going to do my homework to see about getting one..

My question - If it runs on a windows platform do I need to get Mac software?? Or will it run windows versions?

This discussion is also happening on other threads.eLearning had this comment from Roland Gesthuizen..I hope he doesn't mind me reposting it here J 

With the current round of notebooks for DEECD teaching staff, and after many years teaching VCE IT with Toshiba, ACER, IBM and then Levono laptops, I have decided to opt for the Apple notebook option. Last week I was really impressed with a colleague running Parallels who was able to seamlessly switch between OSX to XP applications (or Ubuntu Linux) using a little used feature called Coherence.
     HYPERLINK "http://lifehacker.com/software/parallels/hack-attack-how-to-run-windows-and-mac-apps-sidebyside-with-parallels-221002.php"link to a blog entry with details about this feature

It didn't really matter what operating system we use .. shift happens. I saw this myself at the VITTA conference last year after a day long session demonstrating programming with Python in the Apple lab. It didn't matter. A lighter weight and better design are also factors I am considering .. bluetooth, perhaps Apple iPhone integration??

With due dignity to all users and systems, I do not wish to turn this into a mac / windows flame or debate about incremental advantages. Jokes about one or two button mice mean nothing when both systems plug and play just about anything you throw at them.

Somebody once described this to me as how we learn to play chess. It doesn't matter if your pieces are made of finely crafted glass or bottle tops. It doesn't matter if the chess board is made of ivory or newspaper. What matters more is the game that you play.

Is anybody thinking along the same path?

Regards Roland

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Meadows, Roslyn M
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 2:37 PM
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Subject: RE: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs

I agree totally Rob - in fact our school tech, (and therefore it was officially endorsed by the Principal) refused to support macs and anyone who got a mac was "on their own". Which is partly the reason I got one - so that hopefully I could give the staff who had got the older iBook in previous rollouts some support (and many just chose the mac because it came with a free iPod)

Luckily we were given a department TSO for a couple of days a week who is completely relaxed and at home with both operating systems.

If your techs refuse to support macs then they should get one and become familiar with it. Or retire! Anyone who takes on the job of a tech should realize that they will constantly have to renew their knowledge and skills. For that matter they should be acquainting themselves with Linux also - surely as techs they should be fascinated and want to learn everything new? (or is that just a teacher behavior?) The operating systems are NOT that different, it is just like travelling to another country, the flavours of the food are a little different, but it is exciting to taste them!

Good luck to all those who wish to make the move to macs - you will be blessed, as I have been!!! 

Cheers

Ros

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Rob Swain
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:54 PM
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Subject: RE: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs

I can sit silent no longer...

Those techs are providing PC-assistance, not true technical assistance then - which is presumably their mantra.

When will those guys stop putting their heads in the sand and wake up to the fact that Macs and PCs are BOTH real world solutions used by real industry to assist in real work for which we are preparing students. It 'erks' me when so called IT experts explain that they cant support teachnology from a $77 billion company with the world's hottest consumer brand. If our design (and other) students are going to be prepared for this IT-oriented world, they need to be able to use both platforms interchangebly --- a lesson that many of these techs clearly have not learnt themselves.

Part of the problem is that techs hold a position of 'expert' within the decision making processes of schools and learning institutions - so when some say it simply "cant be done", they are believed. What they should be saying is "they dont know how it can be done" as clearly it can be (as one list member has already reported).

There will always be 'died in the wool' enthusiasts who clearly sit in one camp or the other, but you would hope that a techs responses were based more on professional expertise than subjective leanings. They are making decisions about infrastructure - and infrastructure should support multiple players, in multiple settings and with multiple tools. Imagine a road network that only 'supported' Holdens or just Japanese imports - you get the idea.

In any case the two platforms are becoming closer (ala the Intel chip in an iMac) and it will be interesting to see where this convergence leads. That is another discussion for another time, but it does call into question the whole 'one camp or the other' approach.

The modern worker operates and innovates in a ICT world where ideally 'everyone can play' regardless of individual equipment specs (including platform) - this world is not coming, it already exists. Students should be prepared for it and not limited by the narrow prejudiced views of so called experts.

OK, I'm getting worked up now and I really do acknowledge that there are some complex technical issues that technical staff need to handle here, but my point is that the convenient 'knee-jerk' decision is not always the correct decision. 

Time to get off the soapbox

-- Rob

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of ARNOTT Suz
Sent: Wed 18-Jun-08 11:13 AM
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We have been told by our techs not to choose a mac, as they can not support it

Bit sad L

We are an all PC school

Suzanne Arnott

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Photography and Multimedia Coordinator

Elisabeth Murdoch College

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of geoffadcock
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:09 AM
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Subject: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs

Hi Jacquie

Primarily we are a PC school.

We have a Lab of Macs running VM FusionWare to enable Windows XP.

I would not recommend it at all, it really is a disaster over a network. Our tech guys are trying to find something that will better serve the school but have yet to find a suitable solution.

Geoff Adcock

Girton Grammar  

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Tinkler, Jacquie J
Sent: Monday, 16 June 2008 4:03 PM
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Subject: [vet-mm] Dual Boot Macs

Hi List members, this is not strictly a MM question, but I am guessing a few of you may have Macs.

I have an ancient IBM Thinkpad (as some of you will I guess) and was wondering how those of you with Macs went with the Mac/Windows Dual boot and/or Emulator are going. I would love a Mac, but we are primarily a PC school, although I am working on getting Mac in out Art/design dept as the kids will end up using them in industry later.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Jacquie Tinkler

Wangaratta High School

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