[vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs
Andrew Shortell
a.shortell at braemar.vic.edu.au
Wed Jun 18 14:35:56 EST 2008
Rob
Sounds like you are more interested in educating and in giving students
the chance to learn
I have always liked to think that anyone who uses computers must delight
in innovation and problem solving and exploring new horizons
Computers and their usage change so much so fast and so often that it is
a very exciting area in which to work imho
However there are some who have moved into this area only to do a job -
not to be excited. Troglodytes exist. We must shine the fierce light of
reason upon them (Whoops, quickly hides sword and soap box and white
charger - double oops - still don't have white charger for notebook I do
not have yet - Yes I know it's a pun)
Obviously macs work well in windows networks and windows work in mac
networks. It merely comes down to whether the technicians are learners
or blockers.
I have seen it in other schools and universities
Andrew Shortll
Braemar College
Woodend
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[mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Rob Swain
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:54 PM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs
I can sit silent no longer...
Those techs are providing PC-assistance, not true technical assistance
then - which is presumably their mantra.
When will those guys stop putting their heads in the sand and wake up to
the fact that Macs and PCs are BOTH real world solutions used by real
industry to assist in real work for which we are preparing students. It
'erks' me when so called IT experts explain that they cant support
teachnology from a $77 billion company with the world's hottest consumer
brand. If our design (and other) students are going to be prepared for
this IT-oriented world, they need to be able to use both platforms
interchangebly --- a lesson that many of these techs clearly have not
learnt themselves.
Part of the problem is that techs hold a position of 'expert' within the
decision making processes of schools and learning institutions - so when
some say it simply "cant be done", they are believed. What they should
be saying is "they dont know how it can be done" as clearly it can be
(as one list member has already reported).
There will always be 'died in the wool' enthusiasts who clearly sit in
one camp or the other, but you would hope that a techs responses were
based more on professional expertise than subjective leanings. They are
making decisions about infrastructure - and infrastructure should
support multiple players, in multiple settings and with multiple tools.
Imagine a road network that only 'supported' Holdens or just Japanese
imports - you get the idea.
In any case the two platforms are becoming closer (ala the Intel chip in
an iMac) and it will be interesting to see where this convergence leads.
That is another discussion for another time, but it does call into
question the whole 'one camp or the other' approach.
The modern worker operates and innovates in a ICT world where ideally
'everyone can play' regardless of individual equipment specs (including
platform) - this world is not coming, it already exists. Students should
be prepared for it and not limited by the narrow prejudiced views of so
called experts.
OK, I'm getting worked up now and I really do acknowledge that there are
some complex technical issues that technical staff need to handle here,
but my point is that the convenient 'knee-jerk' decision is not always
the correct decision.
Time to get off the soapbox
-- Rob
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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of ARNOTT Suz
Sent: Wed 18-Jun-08 11:13 AM
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Subject: RE: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs
We have been told by our techs not to choose a mac, as they can not
support it
Bit sad :-(
We are an all PC school
Suzanne Arnott
ICT Staff Support
Photography and Multimedia Coordinator
Elisabeth Murdoch College
Langwarrin
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[mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of geoffadcock
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:09 AM
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Subject: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs
Hi Jacquie
Primarily we are a PC school.
We have a Lab of Macs running VM FusionWare to enable Windows XP.
I would not recommend it at all, it really is a disaster over a network.
Our tech guys are trying to find something that will better serve the
school but have yet to find a suitable solution.
Geoff Adcock
Girton Grammar
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[mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Tinkler, Jacquie J
Sent: Monday, 16 June 2008 4:03 PM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: [vet-mm] Dual Boot Macs
Hi List members, this is not strictly a MM question, but I am guessing a
few of you may have Macs...
I have an ancient IBM Thinkpad (as some of you will I guess) and was
wondering how those of you with Macs went with the Mac/Windows Dual boot
and/or Emulator are going. I would love a Mac, but we are primarily a PC
school, although I am working on getting Mac in out Art/design dept as
the kids will end up using them in industry later.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Jacquie Tinkler
Wangaratta High School
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