[vet-mm] re: 2006 exam

Thu Nov 16 11:36:51 EST 2006

Hi Chris,

Hey Chris,

I teach Multimedia in a primary school and my students LOVE Game maker and M=
icroworlds.  Both are a fabulous introduction to the concepts of scripting b=
ut made approachable through the interfaces.  Teaching game making is fun, e=
xciting, challenging and fabulous for problem solving and thinking skills wh=
ich we are all getting whacked over the heads about with VELS and PoLT.  I t=
hink kids want to do this stuff too.

I believe that if primary and middle years education embraced software like=
 these then it would make teaching VET MM scripting much easier for you as t=
he concepts would be familiar.

Cheers,

Rachelle

-----Original Message-----
From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]=
 On Behalf Of Chris Russell
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 11:13 PM
To: vet-mm at edulists.com.au
Subject: Re: RE: [vet-mm] re: 2006 exam

Yes,
Close inspection of post year 12 pathways finds student in many branches of=
 the arts.
Students and teachers have other subjects to deal and it would be great to g=
et some family time back rather than trying to pump kids heads full of curri=
culum within a short time, What ever happen to class time dedicated to discu=
ssion with students about what they enjoy.
I seek balance in the subject and consideration of student interest and well=
 being. 
Please let primary age kids focus on what they need to help them to communic=
ate with other human beings 
The tail's wagging the dog in a broader sense. 
Industry wants this, Uni wants that.
Time to get off the computer and into the fresh air.
Repectfully all opinions have their place.
bye

-----Original Message-----
From: <DeanPearman at caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au>
To: <vet-mm at edulists.com.au>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:46:51 +1100
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] re: 2006 exam

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Are we forgetting that these students are only 17 and have other VCE subject=
s, co - curricular activities and family and person lives to maintain. I hav=
e been delivering this program since its conception and not many of my stude=
nts have gone into the industry after year 12. They use this course as a pat=
hway into further study for multimedia/design/art. I would believe that most=
 students do this or am I wrong? I don't think anyone doubts the importance=
 of having scripting knowledge but the multimedia industry is large, some of=
 my students who have completed the BA of multimedia design at Swinburne  an=
d have gone into film, television, motion graphics and design, I think it is=
 a narrow minded view to just assume that all good multimedia students and d=
esign needs scripting as a necessary skill. The development of good visual d=
esign is just as difficult as scripting, to achieve a harmonies work that re=
lies on strong aesthetical elements is equally as challenging. To assume tha=
!
 t this knowledge is only the 'fun stuff' is not true. These aspects take ye=
ars to master, and display a strong sense of technically and aesthetic compe=
tence. It is one thing to know how to use Photoshop it is an entirely differ=
ent challenge to develop strong visual design with it. Of course we want our=
 students to excel and challenge themselves in all aspects of multimedia. Th=
e real issue is not the scripting it is what is on the examination and the f=
airness of what is being assessed. Also we want to cover all aspects of the=
 course and scripting is only one part of the cert III, students are also as=
sessed through three scored assessments during the year that allows them the=
 opportunity to develop and demonstrate a diversity of their knowledge and s=
kills. Equity of what is being assessed is what people are after.

Cheers 
Dean Pearman
Visual Arts Educator 
Caulfield Grammar School

-----Original Message-----
From:	Daylan [mailto:daylan at impactcreativity.com.au]
Sent:	Wed 11/15/2006 4:28 PM
To:	VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Cc:	
Subject:	Re: [vet-mm] re: 2006 exam

Hi all,
          I've been training Cert 2, 3 and diploma level multimedia for 
the past 3 years and working in the industry (clients etc) for 4 years. 
This is my final year of training students however as i will be 
venturing of into that big, murderous multimedia world to work for MYOB 
but i thought i might add my 2 cents too.
  I felt that there wasn't enough emphasis on programming in the exam or 
in the course in general. I personally tried to train my students in a 
way that would give them actual skills that are relevant for industry, 
as well of course, as meeting competencies. And while i agree design is 
important, i fell that its only about 20% of most jobs.
You just need to look at it.seek.com etc to see that 98% of jobs in the 
industry require more than awesome photoshop and design skills. In fact 
i'd say 80% don't even care if you are good at design, they want you to 
be a programmer.
Its extremely hard in the industry to find a job that is purely design 
and even if you do they are usually the lowest paying jobs.
Design is the fun stuff and it's a lot easier to keep students 
attention with fun things, but as far as vocational training goes, i 
feel programming is a much more important skill for students to walk 
away with. 

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