[vet-mm] 2006 exam

Thu Nov 16 11:04:04 EST 2006

A very balanced view Peter and yes the course is being reviewed -draft chang=
es for Cert III multimedia are on the ibsa site. If I was home I could put t=
his on the list as I have the address. This lively discussion is great.  Jac=
qui (Bayside)

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]=
 On Behalf Of peterfowler at optusnet.com.au
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2006 10:50 AM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re:[vet-mm] 2006 exam

Good Morning all,
Mario I think you need to get a good nights sleep. What are you doing adding=
 to the post at that time of the night?

I thought that this was a venue for all of us to express our opinions.
There is nothing wrong with us having a lively discussion and Daylan has eve=
ry right to express his views in the same way that I do. I have enjoyed this=
 one greatly!
There has been some very valid points expressed during this debate so lets n=
ot loose sight of that. 
I agree that there needs to be greater consistency to the way the subject is=
 taught across the state, and that both Design and scripting are integral to=
 the creation of Multimedia products. I don't necessarily agree that teachin=
g design is easy or that we should promote that aspect of the course to the=
 exclusion of programming. What I am concerned with is the fact that the exa=
m was not equitable and the competency relating to design was over looked wh=
en VCAA wrote this years paper.
Daylan was right in that the expectations of the course is constantly changi=
ng and the Multimedia industry is continually evolving as does technology. W=
e as a group of professionals are generally are trying to stay abreast of th=
ese changes through PD, personal investigation and time release to go back i=
nto the industry. But there are limits on what we can achieve as most of us=
 are required to teach in other areas as well, we don't have the luxury of b=
eing single subject teachers. 
There are also time restrictions on how many hours per week we have to deliv=
er this course. Many of us are working in an educational institution and the=
 time allocation is dictated by the timetabler. None of us go close to the n=
ominal hours stated in the training package.
I would love to have access to more time to deliver the scripting component=
 in depth, there are new parts of actionscript that I have only recently dis=
covered such as importing classes, but in the reality is that is not going t=
o happen.
We are stuck with a course the is in need of a review and an exam that is in=
equitable.
Thanks for the contributions one and all.
Yours Sincerely
Peter Fowler
Swinburne Senior Secondary College

> Daylan <daylan at impactcreativity.com.au> wrote:
> 
Wow,
     Brutal ! Thanks for your comments Mario, first of all I'd just like  
to point out a couple of things. What i have written about in my posts  
is purely my opinion, as mentioned in my first post about this subject,  
i am leaving Impact and just thought i would voice my opinion on what i  
believe was lacking in the multimedia classes at VET/VCE level. If you  
want to bring the claws out and have a go at where i work, go ahead.
You just have to look at the 15+ responses this topic has raised to  
know that somethings not quite right.
If an exam has scripting questions, "its too hard", if there's not  
enough scripting "its not relevant". I don't care whether or not you  
take Impact seriously, i think our 98% pass rate in cert 3 and constant  
appearance by our students work at things such as season of excellence  
proves that, "holy crap" i guess we're doing something right huh. When  
schools are contacting us in order to do their flash training for their  
students. Damm! Being "money driven" and "na=EFve" sucks huh.
     Everyone else though, please don't get me wrong. I don't know if  
teachers have the same conversations/emails about Maths and English and  
P.E and whatever else, but if people cant agree on what is meant to be  
taught then there is a problem.
Im just stating that i think if your going to show students this  
subject, its important to be showing them stuff that is relevant to the  
actual subject,  which is both design and programing, as well, of  
course as meeting the competencies set by "the powers that be". I  
personally prefer doing the design aspect of this stuff. Its a lot more  
fun and creative, but like i said previously, this stuff changes faster  
than anyone can learn it, and staying in the comfort zone of teaching  
the easy stuff will not help students in the future who obviously have  
an interest in this industry.
But I'm not an art teacher, so what the hell do i know about  
multimedia.(No offense to art teachers of course, I loved art in high  
school)

On 16/11/2006, at 1:44 AM, Mario Yannakakis wrote:

> We have tried for so many years to get an understanding of what it is  
> that
> we as teachers/trainers for VET in schools are suppose to teach that it
> really annoys me and it really makes me wonder whether I really want to
> teach in the future!!!
>
> Please forget about impact creativity because they are just business  
> minded
> people. Ofcoarse they will support scripting because they want their
> graduates to come and work within a production based programming role  
> for
> their clients and they, just like every other business will give their
> employees next to nothing for an entry level role.
>
> This is just my opinion!
>
> Mario Yannakakis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au  
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of peterfowler at optusnet.com.au
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 5:07 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [vet-mm] 2006 exam
>
> You are dead right Susan,
> The exam is supposed to test of the whole course at year 12, its not
> intended to focus on individual competencies.
> The students greater understanding of programming is assessed as part  
> of a
> scored SAC.
> In most cases the MM job market will not be interested in students  
> with a
> Cert III qualification.
> Part of our role is to provide student with a broad understanding of  
> the MM
> industry, they usually specialize when they hit University.
> So lets put our personal bias on hold and lets try to get a better  
> balance
> in the exam next time around.
> Yours Sincerely
> Peter Fowler
> Swinburne Senior Secondary College
>
>
>
>> Susan Bell <Susan.Bell at wesleycollege.net> wrote:
>>
>> I think the issue here was about programming in the exam - not whether
>> you need programming when  students venture into the job market. No  
>> one
>> is denying that programming is important - but the exam was biased
>> towards scripting which is simply not fair in a year 12 exam.
>> Sue
>>>>> daylan at impactcreativity.com.au 11/15/06 04:28pm >>>
>> Hi all,
>>           I've been training Cert 2, 3 and diploma level multimedia  
>> for
>>
>> the past 3 years and working in the industry (clients etc) for 4  
>> years.
>>
>> This is my final year of training students however as i will be
>> venturing of into that big, murderous multimedia world to work for  
>> MYOB
>>
>> but i thought i might add my 2 cents too.
>>   I felt that there wasn't enough emphasis on programming in the exam
>> or
>> in the course in general. I personally tried to train my students in a
>>
>> way that would give them actual skills that are relevant for industry,
>>
>> as well of course, as meeting competencies. And while i agree design  
>> is
>>
>> important, i fell that its only about 20% of most jobs.
>> You just need to look at it.seek.com etc to see that 98% of jobs in  
>> the
>>
>> industry require more than awesome photoshop and design skills. In  
>> fact
>>
>> i'd say 80% don't even care if you are good at design, they want you  
>> to
>>
>> be a programmer.
>> Its extremely hard in the industry to find a job that is purely design
>>
>> and even if you do they are usually the lowest paying jobs.
>> Design is the fun stuff and it's a lot easier to keep students
>> attention with fun things, but as far as vocational training goes, i
>> feel programming is a much more important skill for students to walk
>> away with.
>>
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