[vet-mm] industry experience

[Allman, John J]

Standard 7.3 says relevant vocational competencies at least to the level
being assessed. 
7.1 professional development plans for staff  and provision of relevant
opportunities for professional development

Schools and rto get funding for vet subjects (up to $400 per student) so
pd should not be an issue

-----Original Message-----
From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Katie Pinder
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2006 10:15 AM
To: vet-mm at edulists.com.au
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] industry experience

Hey Listers,

a bit off the topic.....

I have been wondering exactly what constitutes industry experience? any
one 
know if there are nominal hours or regular re-training involved?

i want to go back and do more mm study as my qualifications are now 7
years 
out of date.

should my school pay or give me time release?

regerds
katie


>From: "Allman, John J" <allman.john.j at edumail.vic.gov.au>
>Reply-To: "VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List"
<vet-mm at edulists.com.au>
>To: "VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List" <vet-mm at edulists.com.au>
>Subject: RE: [vet-mm] 2006 exam
>Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:10:45 +1100
>
>Maybe it's the inconsistency of the exam that causes the problem, seems

>that=3D
>  the emphasis on scripting goes up and down, and teachers get a little

>bewil=3D
>dered as to what will be expected.
>
>
>
>It is interesting to note that to teach Vet you should have relevant 
>industr=3D
>y experience. AQTF Standard 7.4
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au 
>[mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]=3D
>  On Behalf Of Daylan
>Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2006 9:40 AM
>To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [vet-mm] 2006 exam
>
>
>
>Wow,
>
>Brutal ! Thanks for your comments Mario, first of all i'd just like to 
>point=3D
>  out a couple of things. What i have written about in my posts is
purely 
>my=3D
>  opinion, as mentioned in my first post about this subject, i am
leaving 
>Imp=3D
>act and just thought i would voice my opinion on what i believe was 
>lacking=3D
>  in the multimedia classes at VET/VCE level. If you want to bring the 
>claws=3D
>  out and have a go at where i work, go ahead.
>
>You just have to look at the 15+ responses this topic has raised to
know 
>tha=3D
>t somethings not quite right.
>
>If an exam has scripting questions, "its too hard", if there's not
enough 
>sc=3D
>ripting "its not relevant". I don't care whether or not you take Impact

>seri=3D
>ously, i think our 98% pass rate in cert 3 and constant appearance by
our 
>st=3D
>udents work at things such as season of excellence proves that, "holy 
>crap"=3D
>  i guess we're doing something right huh. When schools are contacting
us 
>in=3D
>  order to do their flash training for their students. Damm! Being
"money 
>dri=3D
>ven" and "na=3DEFve" sucks huh.
>
>Everyone else though, please don't get me wrong. I don't know if
teachers 
>ha=3D
>ve the same conversations/emails about Maths and English and P.E and 
>whateve=3D
>r else, but if people cant agree on what is meant to be taught then
there 
>is=3D
>  a problem.
>
>Im just stating that i think if your going to show students this
subject, 
>it=3D
>s important to be showing them stuff that is relevant to the actual 
>subject,=3D
>  which is both design and programing, as well, of course as meeting
the 
>comp=3D
>etencies set by "the powers that be". I personally prefer doing the
design 
>a=3D
>spect of this stuff. Its a lot more fun and creative, but like i said 
>previo=3D
>usly, this stuff changes faster than anyone can learn it, and staying
in 
>the=3D
>  comfort zone of teaching the easy stuff will not help students in the

>futur=3D
>e who obviously have an interest in this industry.
>
>But I'm not an art teacher, so what the hell do i know about 
>multimedia.(No=3D
>  offense to art teachers of course, I loved art in high school)
>
>
>
>On 16/11/2006, at 1:44 AM, Mario Yannakakis wrote:
>
>
>
>	We have tried for so many years to get an understanding of what
it is 
>that=3D
>
>
>	we as teachers/trainers for VET in schools are suppose to teach
that it
>
>	really annoys me and it really makes me wonder whether I really
want to
>
>	teach in the future!!!
>
>
>
>	Please forget about impact creativity because they are just
business 
>minded=3D
>
>
>	people. Ofcoarse they will support scripting because they want
their
>
>	graduates to come and work within a production based programming
role for
>
>	their clients and they, just like every other business will give
their
>
>	employees next to nothing for an entry level role.
>
>
>
>	This is just my opinion!
>
>
>
>	Mario Yannakakis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>	-----Original Message-----
>
>	From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au 
>[mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au=3D
>]
>
>	On Behalf Of peterfowler at optusnet.com.au
>
>	Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 5:07 PM
>
>	To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
>
>	Subject: Re: [vet-mm] 2006 exam
>
>
>
>	You are dead right Susan,
>
>	The exam is supposed to test of the whole course at year 12, its
not
>
>	intended to focus on individual competencies.
>
>	The students greater understanding of programming is assessed as
part of 
>a=3D
>
>
>	scored SAC.
>
>	In most cases the MM job market will not be interested in
students with a
>
>	Cert III qualification.
>
>	Part of our role is to provide student with a broad
understanding of the 
>MM=3D
>
>
>	industry, they usually specialize when they hit University.
>
>	So lets put our personal bias on hold and lets try to get a
better 
>balance=3D
>
>
>	in the exam next time around.
>
>	Yours Sincerely
>
>	Peter Fowler
>
>	Swinburne Senior Secondary College
>
>
>
>
>
>	Susan Bell <Susan.Bell at wesleycollege.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>	I think the issue here was about programming in the exam - not
whether
>
>	you need programming when students venture into the job market.
No one
>
>	is denying that programming is important - but the exam was
biased
>
>	towards scripting which is simply not fair in a year 12 exam.
>
>	Sue
>
>				daylan at impactcreativity.com.au 11/15/06
04:28pm >>>
>
>	Hi all,
>
>	I've been training Cert 2, 3 and diploma level multimedia for
>
>
>
>	the past 3 years and working in the industry (clients etc) for 4
years.
>
>
>
>	This is my final year of training students however as i will be
>
>	venturing of into that big, murderous multimedia world to work
for MYOB
>
>
>
>	but i thought i might add my 2 cents too.
>
>	I felt that there wasn't enough emphasis on programming in the
exam
>
>	or
>
>	in the course in general. I personally tried to train my
students in a
>
>
>
>	way that would give them actual skills that are relevant for
industry,
>
>
>
>	as well of course, as meeting competencies. And while i agree
design is
>
>
>
>	important, i fell that its only about 20% of most jobs.
>
>	You just need to look at it.seek.com etc to see that 98% of jobs
in the
>
>
>
>	industry require more than awesome photoshop and design skills.
In fact
>
>
>
>	i'd say 80% don't even care if you are good at design, they want
you to
>
>
>
>	be a programmer.
>
>	Its extremely hard in the industry to find a job that is purely
design
>
>
>
>	and even if you do they are usually the lowest paying jobs.
>
>	Design is the fun stuff and it's a lot easier to keep students
>
>	attention with fun things, but as far as vocational training
goes, i
>
>	feel programming is a much more important skill for students to
walk
>
>	away with.
>
>
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