[vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork

Fri Apr 29 21:21:44 EST 2005

Yes Margaret, I agree - 'public scathings' should be avoided at all
cost. 
The NATURE of our response is critically important. A wise person once
said to me that what we remember of incidents is not what we learnt but
HOW WE FELT. I try very hard to remember this when I deal with difficult
situations be they with students, parents, fellow teachers or complete
strangers. Let them feel good, or feel positive, or feel valued, or feel
that they own a part of important decisions...
However it also takes courage to 'put oneself out on a limb', as it
were, risking criticism, so I would like to encourage every visitor to
these great lists to 'take the risk' and contribute. Even if others
(some) may not agree with you, there are freequently many who silently
clap, glad that YOU said it and they didn't have to.
I am delighted that we have so many commercial people working hard at
making our lives in schools a little easier. I love it whan they are
genuinely passionate about what they are creating or offering. Kevork's
suggestion that they send brief emails (definitely tiny in size!!!)
linking us to a website with additional information is certainly the way
to go. Please let us not scare them off.
Regards, Keith

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:00:35 +1000, "Lawson, Margaret"
<mlawson at stmichaels.vic.edu.au> said:
> Roland
> 
> I agree! The last thing they want is a public scathing when all they are
> trying to do is let us know what they are offering.
> 
> Often a private email sent to them is more affective than being chastised
> like a child in one of your classes.
> 
> For the record, I attended Ivy's presentation at the VITTA conference
> last
> year and it was informative and professional. The notes that she produced
> for everyone went well beyond the call of "presenter duty" and were very
> comprehensive.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Margaret
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roland Gesthuizen [mailto:rge at westallsc.vic.edu.au] 
> Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2005 9:51 AM
> To: 'VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork
> 
> I think it does these commercial groups and partners proud that they slog
> through all the e-mails we churn out on these lists, turn up to all those
> conference trade stands, grind away at all those phone calls and keep up
> a
> brave face listening to all our gripes.
> 
> Of course, marketing has a two edged blade as Kevork pointed out so well.
> 
> Regards Roland
> 
> --
> Roland Gesthuizen - eLearning Coordinator - Westall Secondary College 
> http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
> Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2005 9:34 AM
> To: vet-mm at edulists.com.au
> Subject: [vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
>     I just want to thank Ivy for the email outlining her regret in the
>     way
> her original post was received. Also her commitment to not send emails in
> that particular format , in future to this forum, .
>    We all agree we don't want blatant advertising on these lists , yet
>    short
> informative messages related to supporting teachers in the classroom
> should
> be available. 
>     The "pulse" of the majority of subscribers to these lists will
>     determine
> if information sent to these lists crosses the line of what is acceptable
> or
> not. 
>      Let's all support each other as we move ahead.
> 
> 
> My best wishes to all of you
> 
> 
> Kevork Krozian
> IT Manager , Forest Hill College
> Mailing List(s) Creator and Administrator
> k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
> Mobile: 0419 356 034
> 
> >>> "Ivy Siew" <ivy at tootega.com.au> 04/20/05 09:14pm >>>
> Dear members, 
> 
>  
> 
> I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all those who have
> expressed concern and may be offended by my previous email announcing my
> organization.  It was never my intention to offend anyone and definitely
> not
> my intention to cause any of the concerns which have been expressed by
> some
> members of this group.  I completely understand all comments and concerns
> made so far and therefore felt that it is my responsibility to send this
> email to apologize.
> 
>  
> 
> My intention was genuine and was mainly intended to inform all of you of
> this new organization.  I'm extremely passionate about this organization
> and
> most importantly about creative use of technologies in schools.  I was
> simply using this opportunity to inform all of you that my organization
> can
> help teachers and is available to schools as an added resource that they
> can
> utilize. 
> 
>  
> 
> I do understand that the discussion list is not an area for advertising
> and
> I apologize to those members who felt that I crossed the line.  My
> incentive
> to join this list was to learn and understand the types of discussions
> that
> are ongoing and the challenges that teachers may be facing.  More
> recently,
> I was simply observing all the emails of people writing recommendations
> for
> trainers, therefore I thought, may be I'll just let everyone know about
> what
> we do.  The last thing I wanted is to cause the credibility of this list
> to
> be jeopardized.
> 
>  
> 
> Please accept my sincere apologies.  I will refrain from informing in
> this
> format in the future.
> 
>  
> 
> I'll be glad to receive any comments or feedback that you may like to
> express to me personally at ivy at tootega.com.au.  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
>  
> 
> Ivy Siew
> 
> Director / Education IT Integrator
> 
> Tootega Creative Learning
> 
> Tel: 03 9551 8653 / (Int) +61 3 9551 8653
> 
> Mob: 0416 110 738 / (Int) +61 416 110 738
> 
> Fax: 03 9551 2286
> 
> ABN 89 748 439 415
> 
> Visit our website at  <http://www.tootega.com.au> www.tootega.com.au 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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