[vet-it] Cert III in IT

Kent Beveridge kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au
Wed Dec 3 08:29:39 EST 2008 

Thanks for the info Peter.
Heres a challenge for you to consider(as it was/is mine!)..
Try telling your boss that you are willing and able to offer the Cert II & III at the end of term 3 and then hearing nothing until 2 weeks ago when you are:
1. Doing reports(just starting at that time)
2. Told you need to meet all the kids and tell them to 'fill out paperwork for the subject'
3. Have a percentage of your subject's students on an overseas trip (Italy in this case)
4. Suddenly finding out that half the potential year 11 candidates have jumped ship to another subject (including your 'best' student)
5. Applying for, after being invited to take up, a head of department role!!
6. Being told that we then must get all the paperwork in by date XX as the local RTO needs it by then(again..short notice!!)
7. plus, plus, plus,..
 
My planning and resources and enthusiasm are there but, my enthusiasm at the prospect of a decent sized class that suddenly shrunk, just shot my enthusiasm in the butt!
 
Oh, did I also mention, the late notice meant I missed getting to tell the kids about the workbook to put onto the booklist...just the final straw I need.
 
 
Kent Beveridge,
I.T. co-ordinator
St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College
 http://www.stbc.vic.edu.au/ <http://www.stbc.vic.edu.au/> 
Horsham Ph (03) 5382 3545
email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au
Hear about the bloke who struggled and fell?  At least he gave it a go!!
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From: vet-it-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Nash, Peter N
Sent: Wed 12/3/2008 5:33 AM
To: Vet Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [vet-it] Cert III in IT



Dan and Kent

 

There were 3 sessions on the introduction to VET and two trade exhibitors that dealt with the VET IT. Did you get the opportunity to go to some of them? If you did you would have seen me. Here is and overview of the proceedings and the resources will be uploaded shortly.

 

The conference sessions being: 

1.	VCAA and VCE / VET IT - a most information session by Daryl Sutton (Project Manager for VET IT @ VCAA), he spoke about the scored assessment aspect of VET IT and its implementation from a VCAA perspective. Some useful VCAA documents were given out but one key area was the question of the full Cert III. He explained that there is a link on the VCAA site in VET IT explaining how you may RPL some of the required Cert II units for the Cert III course. The PowerPoint presentation should be uploaded at the conference site. 
2.	Gathering evidence on-line - a session conducted by myself looking at some useful tools to gather evidence for the all important audit process associated with AQTF 2007 requirements. This was a practical session and we even created a basic wiki and explored some readily available open source software for capturing video, audio, creating on-line tutorials and other useful ideas for this process (I will be uploading this resource to the VITTA conference site) 
3.	VET IT for newbies - a session conducted by myself. I created a 25 page document and associated PowerPoint presentation explaining most elements for creating a training and assessment environment (some you should know from your Cert IV TAA training). The handout provides useful links to help you prepare to deliver the course and the acquisition of materials like workbooks and texts. (I will be uploading the resource to the VITTA Conference site). I handed out order forms from key suppliers (who were exhibitors) at this session. And I did show the participants one of the 'bibles' I use the IBSA CD and booklet on the National Training Packages. This session was reasonable generic and was suitable for those trainers of VET Multimedia as well. 

 

Conference Exhibitors:

1.	AIET - Allan Barnes, he was in the white marquee down near electro board. Allan had samples of the workbooks he sells. I use his books for two reasons; has a list of elements for every unit of competence that you can sign off like a logbook and I use some of the more relevant activities in the delivery of the course. His work books are great (I have been using them for 7 years now) but I suggest prepare a course that is more relevant to your students by preparing a course that incorporates many activities to gather evidence from role plays, demonstrations etc and use Allan's books to support this process. There are some units I use only parts or all workbook activities, parts of the Tertiary Press text books then many other in-house practical activities. 
2.	Pearson-Education (sole distributors of Tertiary Press books for VET IT); they were opposite the VITTA stand at the conference. Interesting people as I was speaking to them on the first day and there was no site of leaflets for VET IT. I suggested to them it would be useful to promote their books and I did notice later in the day the pamphlets were there. 

 

In response to the question can you do the full Cert III yes you can providing if you RPL sections of the pre-requisite Cert II units this last point is most important for AQTF auditing purposes. You need to know your students had how well they understand the work and can produce the relevant evidence to support all the elements within the unit of competence (evidence gathering procedures most important here). I find that some VCAL students can not cope with the Cert III requirements so I run two programs the Cert II and partial / full Cert III program. It works quite well but you need to be reasonably organised to do both at the same time. 

 

Remember we are not delivering a VCAA subject but a national, industry based subject that has special requirements for delivery. VCAA only tries to accommodate these units into its program hence initially the partial Cert III because the initial assumption was you may not be able to RPL the Cert II units. There are issues still regarding SWL (Structured Workplace Learning) and student work placement requirements under the training package that need to be taken into account as well but this is another discussion point.

 

Kevork's VET resource disk available form VITTA is useful for those running a VCE VET IT program for scored assessment. The VITTA practice exams are a great resource as well

 

Hope this helps - it may be useful to have an asynchronous chat / conference with messenger or communicator (the latter available to DEECD employees), a conference call using Skype and our web cams, or utilise VITTA's access to Elluminate for an additional PD session.

 

   

 

 

Regards

 

Peter Nash

 

IT Teacher and Daily Organiser

Galvin Park Secondary College

Shaws Road, Werribee, Vic. 3030

 

Tel: (03) 9741 4911

 

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From: vet-it-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-it-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:14 PM
To: Vet Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [vet-it] Cert III in IT

 

Hi Dan,

A couple of snippets of useful info for ya...

1.  Allan Barnes has a workbook available for the Cert II / III in I.T. available  and a teacher CD is also available. No doubt others are out there too, I just arent aware of them...

2.  Online is a variety of useful stuff...checkout the www.australia.gov.au <http://mail.stbc.vic.edu.au/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.australia.gov.au>   site and click on the education and training link to see a host of information rich sites!

 

I too am running the Cert II/III course here next year...its not the course itself that's the problem, its the setup paperwork BEFORE the course starts that is the pain! We are using Allan's workbooks here for the courses, plus other materials I have sourced from online sites.

 

Suggest you go to the www.NTIS.gov.au <http://www.ntis.gov.au/>  site, download the ICA05 package and go from there. It contains all you need for your course. The ref in point 2 above is worth adding to your favorites list.

 

In answer to your comment about delivery time..., yes, the Cert III can be done in 2 years, but it is a full on course!

 

hope this helps your planning and keep in touch if you wish to swap ideas...I'm always open to that..

KB.

 

Kent Beveridge,

I.T. co-ordinator

St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College

 http://www.stbc.vic.edu.au/ <http://www.stbc.vic.edu.au/> 

Horsham Ph (03) 5382 3545

email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au

Hear about the bloke who struggled and fell?  At least he gave it a go!!

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From: vet-it-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Dan BUTLER
Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 9:42 AM
To: vet-it at edulists.com.au
Subject: [vet-it] Cert III in IT

Hi all, Dan Butler from Cranbourne SC here with a question or two that
somebody may be able to help me with.

We are introducing VET IT next year and enrolling the students in Cert III
IT.  We are going to squeeze the Cert III in over two years - is this
possible to do?

If so, to gain the Cert III what units do they need to complete?  The VCAA
VET IT booklet talks about a course for partial completion but we want the
students to do the full thing.

Do we enrol the kids in Cert III, do the 8 core units of the Cert II and
then do the 5 common core units of Cert III and then the chosen stream
units (we would do the applications stream)?

I've been given the job of designing the course and have been given little
assistance other than time release.  I've found a few resources that look
quite good but can't find much information on the admin/red tape side of
things.  Our RTO we are using is a bit hazy on the requirements as well.

Would greatly appreciate any advice.  Also, if there is anyone out there
who would be willing to allow me to visit for a chat, that would be
fantastic.

Thanks

Dan
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Dan Butler


bl at cranbournesc.vic.edu.au
Cranbourne Secondary College
Stawell St
Cranbourne  3977

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