[Systems Engineering Teachers' Mailing List] syseng Digest, Vol 125, Issue 3

Thu Feb 11 10:34:28 AEDT 2016

Hi Mark

We have a very low number of students that undertake this type of project and deal with the situation on an individual basis.

Kind regards ... Roger

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From: syseng-bounces at edulists.com.au <syseng-bounces at edulists.com.au> on behalf of Neville YOUNG <NYO at gwsc.vic.edu.au>
Sent: Thursday, 11 February 2016 10:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [Systems Engineering Teachers' Mailing List] syseng Digest, Vol 125, Issue 3

Unfortunately, I don't have the instructions any more, probably been deleted accidentally some time ago. Perhaps Lorraine Tran can help as they were issued when she was in charge.

Neville
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From: syseng-bounces at edulists.com.au [syseng-bounces at edulists.com.au] on behalf of Mark Tory [Mark.Tory at beaconhills.vic.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, 11 February 2016 9:47 AM
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Thanks for your replies Bruce, Neville and Roger.
>From your replies it seems that there is no ruling from VCAA; as a private school we don't get the rulings from the department, so it would appear that there are no rules other than Vic Roads. The students tell me that they will not be using the projects in public, so I guess that that means that our College will have to make the call on safety.
Neville, if you find that email from the department that would be a good starting point for our College to make a determination on safety.
Roger would you be able to share the letter that you send to students?
mark.tory at beaconhills.vic.edu.au

many thanks,
Mark

Today's Topics:

  1. Power regulations (Mark Tory)
  2. Re: Power regulations (Eager, Bruce L)
  3. Re: Power regulations (Neville YOUNG)
  4. Re: Power regulations (Roger Knight)

Hi all,

Are there published or even un written rules on maximum power for student projects?
I have one student wanting to make a scooter that exceeds the 200 W power limit of Vic Roads.
Another student wishes to make an electric go Kart.

Thanks in advance,
Mark Tory

Refer to VicRoads - Power Assisted Bikes. Refers you to EU standards which Australia is adopting for such machines. Some years ago VicPol was going to using Segway's  for policing work. Vic roads over ruled and banned the Police from using them.

 *    pedal cycle with one or more auxiliary propulsion motors attached which has a combined maximum power output not exceeding 200 watts. Bruce Eager

On 10 Feb 2016, at 4:22 PM, Mark Tory <Mark.Tory at beaconhills.vic.edu.au<mailto:Mark.Tory at beaconhills.vic.edu.au>> wrote:

Hi Mark,
It's my understanding that a couple of years ago all teachers were informed that scooters and go karts were forbidden as the department was worried that students could be injured and then sue the department. In fact the statement said something along the line of any motorised project used to transport a person was prohibited.

Last year I inquired for a student about making a Segway type vehicle, but was told that because they were not legal to use on footpaths and roads in Victoria the student was not allowed to make one.

I was then very surprised to see a motorised vehicle at Top Designs a month or so later.

It would be a great help to us all if VCAB were to put in a description  of types of projects that are not allowed along with a description of the regulations regarding voltages and mains wiring for projects in their Support Materials for Systems Engineering as these type of questions regularly occur over the life of a study design.

Regards
Neville Young

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Hi all

As Bruce correctly pointed out there are regulations for motorized vehicles and scooters.

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/scooters-and-wheeled-recreational-devices

My reading of this indicates that for vehicles under 200W the same rules apply as would apply for a human powered vehicle (push bike).
At our school the vehicles are made / modified in line with these rules and with the approval of the headmaster / principal.
The student and his family are made aware that the school is not liable where the vehicle is used outside the school grounds.

Hope this helps

Kind regards ... Roger Knight

Hi Mark,
It's my understanding that a couple of years ago all teachers were informed that scooters and go karts were forbidden as the department was worried that students could be injured and then sue the department. In fact the statement said something along the line of any motorised project used to transport a person was prohibited.

Last year I inquired for a student about making a Segway type vehicle, but was told that because they were not legal to use on footpaths and roads in Victoria the student was not allowed to make one.

I was then very surprised to see a motorised vehicle at Top Designs a month or so later.

It would be a great help to us all if VCAB were to put in a description  of types of projects that are not allowed along with a description of the regulations regarding voltages and mains wiring for projects in their Support Materials for Systems Engineering as these type of questions regularly occur over the life of a study design.

Regards
Neville Young

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