[Year 12 SofDev] Software Development position available

Sun Jul 31 08:54:37 UTC 2022

hi all
I am happy to contribute to an online version and provide feedback (after all I am excellent at complaining)

I could also help with structure

this is the sort of thing that would be REALLY useful to teachers already out there.

Someone would need to be able to interface with the requisite authorities and ensure that what was done met requirements to achieve some sort of qualification

the possibility of getting a piece of paper that is recognised cannot be overstated.

I know that what I have to offer would certainly be at uni standard.  Like some out there I have lectured and tutored at uni and TAFE and I know what is what. As a published author (like some out there) I can write Non-fiction in a way that makes sense to novices.

What we want is NOT to provide lesson plans but to provide a structured way to deliver the content and to facilitate the learning of skills that will make a reasonable programmer (of the teacher and the student)

happy to contribute more than just my opinion

Andrew Shortell

(Gone and nearly forgotten)

> On 29 Jul 2022, at 3:17 pm, Vera Cook <vcook at mscw.vic.edu.au> wrote:
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> Hi everyone
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> This sounds like a fantastic idea, as I know I will not be teaching much longer as I am going to do my Masters and then Phd in Artificial Intelligence and would like to be able to leave the system easily.
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> Vera
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> From: sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au <mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>> On Behalf Of Adrian Janson
> Sent: Friday, 29 July 2022 3:16 PM
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev at edulists.com.au <mailto:sofdev at edulists.com.au>>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Software Development position available
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> Hi Kevork / Roland / all,
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> Yes an excellent idea. I'm concerned about the workload of setting this up, but we could involve the whole community.
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> Teachers being employed and discovering they have APC / SD in their teaching load could be onboarded with a mix of face to face and remote / self paced modules. I would think that an initiative like this would be in the interest of VCAA as the quality of teaching will be (potentially) improved - rather than having teachers fail audits.
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> Some support from the Education Dept would be nice but is probably unlikely - though you could build in a user pays model (like enrolling in PD).
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> Cheers,
> Adrian
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> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 1:36 PM Roland Gesthuizen <Roland.Gesthuizen at education.vic.gov.au <mailto:Roland.Gesthuizen at education.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
> Sounds like a great plan Kevork. :-)
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> Especially when leaning into an online course to allow us to reach remote and rural candidates.  The parent body ACCE noted that the same problem spans across Oz so the market is out there. There is interest in the Tertiary sector for teacher accreditation for method subjects and they do work with training groups like yours.
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> When I wrote and taught the STEM Education unit at Monash Uni, it was a wonderful opportunity for teachers to upskill across Australia. Given our experience with remote and flexible learning, there some interest in what we can do.
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> If you are free, let’s catch up next week for a coffee and see what we can do to make this so 😊
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> Regards Roland
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> On 29 Jul 2022, at 11:21 am, Kevork Krozian <kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au <mailto:kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
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> Hi Folks
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> How about we build an online version of this for teachers to upskill ?
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> Perhaps we can get some funding for it from VCAA/Universities/TAFEs/HESG ?
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> For example check out https://www.education.vic.gov.au/svts/Account/FundedCoursesReportAndStudentTuitionFeeContributionReport <https://www.education.vic.gov.au/svts/Account/FundedCoursesReportAndStudentTuitionFeeContributionReport>  for the list of courses , funding rates etc that the government pays to TAFEs and private RTOs. I set up and teach 8 courses from that list in my RTO which is part of Ringwood SC.
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> If it is a funded course it would need to be put on the scope of registration of the RTO and perhaps taught online with some face to face interaction.
> There have been post graduate Certificates and Diplomas in elearning that have been previously funded.
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> We could offer to do a walk through of the SD course ( and DA and Units 1 and 2 ) with resources and possible offer to demonstrate teaching say the SD course is each of Python, VB and PHP for variety.
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> That might take 6 to 12 months to put into place eg define the units to teach, secure VRQA registration, add to the scope of courses for the RTO and with VCAA/Universities/TAFE support address the supply side of teaching the course at the right level.
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> We would then need to work on the supply side. 
> How are we to find more students to study Applied Computing ?
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> This exercise would not be very useful if we were to train 30 more teachers and schools offered SD every second year to a cohort of 6 in the class.
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> What do we think ?
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> Kindest Regards
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> Kevork Krozian
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> IT Pathways Manager
> Ringwood Training
> Tel 0419 356 034
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> From: sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au <mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>> On Behalf Of Adrian Janson
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 10:47 AM
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev at edulists.com.au <mailto:sofdev at edulists.com.au>>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Software Development position available
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> yes - I agree with all these sentiments BUT.....
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> (and side note - you all need to watch Moneyball)!
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> I don't think we are nailing what the problem is here. Yes absolutely more skilled / trained IT teachers would be great - but the reality is that this is not happening. 
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> Instead - we need to address what we are faced with. Roland - I'm happy to convene a panel at the conference on this?
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> Cheers,
> Adrian
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> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:54 AM Roland Gesthuizen <Roland.Gesthuizen at education.vic.gov.au <mailto:Roland.Gesthuizen at education.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
> Thanks Andrew, there are method subjects that explicitly teaches this at Univeristy (and a friendly shout out to my former PST who are now teaching :-)
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> An increasing majority of teachers of Physics and Applied Computing schools are now teaching “out-of-field" and whilst they do a remarkable job, their situation is not going to improve.
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> Like others, I suspect the dismantling and diminishing of teaching digitech across the middle school years has also been unhelpful. Nothing good ever comes from diminishing or removing teacher agency. It’s hard to beat a skilled method teacher like you to to command good practice as you have done here with your red pen to underline what teachers should be able to do in order to teach our subject well. I salute your experience.
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> There is a prof at Monash Uni who is doing some interesting research in this space and noted some interesting findings. Could be a good keynote or guest speaker at the DLTV VCE conference later this year. (Hmmmm, I might pass this onto Kev)
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> Regards Roland 
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> On 28 Jul 2022, at 7:48 pm, Andrew Shortell <shortell at get2me.net <mailto:shortell at get2me.net>> wrote:
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> Hi All 
> Even though I am busy fading into the sunset this email chain is attractive (in the nicest way)
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> When we (YOU) look at up-skilling teachers… 
> •first they need to learn to code  
> •THEN they need to learn to teach coding 
> •AND they need to learn how to debug students’ code
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> each of those is VERY important
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> I used to teach ( "facilitate learning experiences in a student centred harmonious learning environment” ) 
> and I am happy to share some of the tasks I used to build student skills
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> Most of my ideas centred around : build a core and add to it and then add functionality and then reflect on the interface and the modules
> Most of my things revolved around  middle out planning.
> Students SEEMED to follow the logic of honing in on core functionality and then planning and creating the bits necessary to achieve those functional requirements 
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> Real programmers plan everything before they even write an algorithm - students need to learn what programming is before they can program
> It has always been my mantra that people (students) learn best by doing, reflecting (HA HA) and then applying forward.
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> If a large think tank is convened I am happy to contribute before dementia sets in
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> Andrew Shortell
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> On 28 Jul 2022, at 1:14 pm, Adrian Janson <janson.adrian.a at gmail.com <mailto:janson.adrian.a at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Hi all, 
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> I 100% support Vic's suggestion here. 
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> Reflecting on the current state of teacher employment, we recently advertised and receive 0 applicants. ZERO. I think academia is doing the best it can, but we need to think about this problem a different way. (I'm tempted to quote Einstein here, but you all know the quote!!). Looking forward, a BETTER solution would be to look to the teachers we have and work upskilling them to deliver our APC courses. 
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> Phil - perhaps you could convene a think tank around this?
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> Cheers,
> Adrian
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> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 12:58 PM Victoria Farrell <farrellv at stkevins.vic.edu.au <mailto:farrellv at stkevins.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
> I would be keen to run some teacher training courses to upskill staff to teach Software. I am doing this at Parade College while I support their VCE class one day a week.
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> I think that would be a pro-active option for the long term to offer assistance to upskill teaching staff around Victoria. I have plenty of resources I am happy to share too, including a VB coding resource I have written. Coding is the main hurdle teachers have with teaching SD.
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> Thoughts?
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> Victoria Farrell
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> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 12:29, Philip Feain <Philip.Feain at education.vic.gov.au <mailto:Philip.Feain at education.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
> Dear All
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> Sorry about the cross-list posting here.
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> I have been asked by a major school (not far from the city and bay) if there are any Software Development teachers who would be available to cover their class after their teaching has become unavailable.
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> This would be for the rest of the year.
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> They are happy to discuss how this could be done understanding that teachers would be full-time in their current school.
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> If you are interested and think you could be able to help them out please let me know via my work email or phone. Don’t reply through the lists.
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> Kind Regards
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> Phil.
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