[Year 12 SofDev] SAT Deliveries

Thu May 7 06:55:49 UTC 2020

Hi

Like some others I have "soft" submission dates lined up with the observations that I give the boys, leading up to the formal submission at the end of the Units.  So the official submission date for U3O2 was the week of 1st June, with the observations each week or two leading up to that, which lines up with when I teach the theory.

Even though I explained that it is only the artifacts they submit on the final date that count, they all seem to be treating the observations like real submission dates.  Maybe because they didn’t listen properly! They all should have most of their SRS done by now (due next week), and I reckon most are maybe one or two weeks behind, which is recoverable.

They are treating the dates more seriously than last years' class.  Possibly because it is remote and each week I give them a clear plan for the week which includes the SAT deliverable on the Thursday clearly laid out.  Anyway it seems to being working better this year.

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Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 00:33:17 +0000
From: McCleary Scott <McCS at jpc.vic.edu.au>
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Previous years teaching informatics I gave them an end date where they submitted everything at once.  I’m changing my approach this year.

I used to give them dates that I wanted to make observations and they could use those dates to help plan, but kids being kids saw these dates as only suggestions…and you’ve probably heard the line before... ”I love deadlines, I love the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by”.  Well that’s what I ended up with.  Too easy for kids to get to the end and still have a truck load of work that they hadn’t completed. I found they spent far too much time fluffing around during the early stages and not producing anything significant.  Also created a mountain of work for me marking at one time.

So, staged approach this year.  I’m giving the kids dates, but these are submission and marking dates as you have suggested, pretty much hand up one criteria at a time as we work through it.  I’m hoping that this will keep them more focused knowing that they have to have deliverables at a certain time and hoping that is eases my load for marking also.

Judgement to be reserved until after this year is completed for me though.

From: sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> On Behalf Of Victoria Farrell
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2020 8:18 PM
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Hi David. I give them the due dates and they work around them as milestones. I’d be interested to know if it is done differently by others.

On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 7:27 pm, David B Thomas <david.b.thomas at rmit.edu.au<mailto:david.b.thomas at rmit.edu.au>> wrote:
Hi,
Please can I ask you if you declare teacher delivery dates for SAT unit 3 to all students that are inline with the VCAA deliveries; a project plan, a justification, a SRS and a folio OR you just allow them to deliver according to their schedules? Presumably, the later option could become chaotic if their projects start to slip.

If it is the former what do you do if their projects start to slip past your teacher delivery dates?
David.
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My Approach to the SAT is to expect these deliverables and my dates:
Criteria 1 & 2: Project Plan: May 8th
Criteria 3 & 4 SRS: May 15th
Criteria 5 Design Folio: June 5th

Criteria 6 & 7 Programming Solution: July 31st - (this may need to be
changed)
Criteria *8*, 9 *10* Evaluation Report:  August 21st -  (this may need to be changed)

The dates rarely change from year to year, actually - seems to work fine!
Cheers,
Vic

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On Thu, 7 May 2020 at 10:34, McCleary Scott <McCS at jpc.vic.edu.au> wrote:

> Previous years teaching informatics I gave them an end date where they
> submitted everything at once.  I’m changing my approach this year.
>
>
>
> I used to give them dates that I wanted to make observations and they
> could use those dates to help plan, but kids being kids saw these
> dates as only suggestions…and you’ve probably heard the line before...
> ”I love deadlines, I love the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by”.
> Well that’s what I ended up with.  Too easy for kids to get to the end
> and still have a truck load of work that they hadn’t completed. I
> found they spent far too much time fluffing around during the early
> stages and not producing anything significant.  Also created a
> mountain of work for me marking at one time.
>
>
>
> So, staged approach this year.  I’m giving the kids dates, but these
> are submission and marking dates as you have suggested, pretty much
> hand up one criteria at a time as we work through it.  I’m hoping that
> this will keep them more focused knowing that they have to have
> deliverables at a certain time and hoping that is eases my load for marking also.
>
>
>
> Judgement to be reserved until after this year is completed for me though.
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of
> *Victoria Farrell
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 May 2020 8:18 PM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SAT deliveries.
>
>
>
> Hi David. I give them the due dates and they work around them as
> milestones. I’d be interested to know if it is done differently by others.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 7:27 pm, David B Thomas
> <david.b.thomas at rmit.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Please can I ask you if you declare teacher delivery dates for SAT
> unit 3 to all students that are inline with the VCAA deliveries; a
> project plan, a justification, a SRS and a folio OR you just allow
> them to deliver according to their schedules? Presumably, the later
> option could become chaotic if their projects start to slip.
>
>
>
> If it is the former what do you do if their projects start to slip
> past your teacher delivery dates?
>
> David.
>
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