[Year 12 SofDev] Graduates with coding experience.

Wed Nov 14 21:25:33 UTC 2018

Thought I would throw my 2 cents worth in the ring.

After 15 year of working in Federal government and specialising in computer forensics and databases, I changed careers and became a teacher.

My methods are maths and computing, but when I was doing my masters at Deakin they didn’t offer computing as method.

I never really got a clear explanation as to why Deakin didn’t offer it.

Anyway, I just find it odd.  So much demand for students with computing skills, yet very few teachers can actually teach it.

Cheers for now.

Duane Collinson | Teacher Digital Technology, Mathematics.
Warrnambool College

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Hi All,

I'm in my first year of teaching after spending nearly 30 years in IT in development and architecture roles and so just finished my masters of teaching last year.  I was looking for Maths and IT as my methods and was limited to only a few universities that offered IT in Melbourne, which surprised me given ICT's importance in the world & workforce and also the Digital Technologies curriculum extension from F-12 now.

I did my masters at ACU and the IT method subject was online as there weren't enough people in Victoria - I think there were about 20 across Australia.  I kept getting told how in demand ICT teaching skills were but the advertisements don't seem to necessarily bear that out.  My limited experience in schools though certainly points to a shortage of expertise with out of specialty teachers being common.

Simon Dorrat
Salesian College

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 00:51:13 +0000
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>Hi All

>Can someone please point me to reliable (ha ha) statistics of how many students with a method in computing graduated in the last five years with good coding skills?

>Also how many of them are still working in teaching?

>And can we extend that back to ten years?

Would be interesting to see if any are available, although you would need to compare to other methods as a control group to determine any variance.

>Do you know any of them personally?

Yes, me. I graduated in 2011 with methods in Mathematics and Computer Science. I’ve had two student teachers with Computer Science as a method since then, so they do exist.

Having said that, there were 15 students in my CS Curriculum class across 2 universities (LaTrobe and RMIT), so there aren’t huge quantities like say Maths / Science. In fact, I must admit I was cursing choosing CS as a method compared to Science given there were lots of Maths / Science jobs and zero Maths / CS. However, when one unusually appeared at a Maths / CS ongoing, I was quite pleased when I got it, especially after being told a couple of years later that there wasn’t a very big field of applicants compared to Maths / x positions advertised.

I suspect it’s a little chicken and egg – there are few jobs for someone with a CS method, but that may well be because if you advertise a CS job you get few applicants…

Michael Walker,
Doncaster SC.
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Hi Andrew,

Student teacher with computing as a method exist but the number of Unis that offering has decreased over the years. Also I wouldn’t be surprised is the number of student’s doing computing as a method is low.

It might be that your school gets student teacher from unis that don’t offer the computing method.

As for where you get the data maybe VIT might have it?

Cheers,

Ben.
-Alkira Secondary College

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Hi All

Can someone please point me to reliable (ha ha) statistics of how many students with a method in computing graduated in the last five years with good coding skills?

Also how many of them are still working in teaching?

And can we extend that back to ten years?

Do you know any of them personally?

I know that I have not seen a student teacher with computing as a method for over ten years ..... ( I am sure that they exist - actually maybe I am not so sure?)

Andrew

(at Strathmore SC til Christmas)
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 11:58:48 +1100
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Able to teach OOP
Able to create a quicksort from zero
Able to work in pseudo code and translate into at least one language and preferably two

Able to look at students' work and debug without too much difficulty Good at documentation - internal and external for code Able to create a decent SRS

Able to do some stuff in SQL for database work Have a good idea of relational databases etc

Andrew

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> Hi All
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> Can someone please point me to reliable (ha ha) statistics of how many
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> And can we extend that back to ten years?
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> Do you know any of them personally?
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> I know that I have not seen a student teacher with computing as a
> method for over ten years ..... ( I am sure that they exist - actually
> maybe I am not so sure?)
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> Andrew
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