[Year 12 SofDev] SAT training day

[Ramu Gupta]

I know this isn't going to get anywhere but one last comment...

Here's the rub for me - we are required to ensure student projects are
feasible based on information outlined in only 4 criteria. VCAA demands
that assessment tasks allows students the opportunity to demonstrate the
highest level of performance.

I, personally, find this difficult to do with the SAT if I only have access
to 4 out of 8 criteria.

If we or the students get it wrong - then there is no possibility of
revising plans/designs etc for ASSESSMENT, since scores need to be
submitted by June 15. And if your school is like mine - then internal
school deadline would be a week before.

Brand new style of assessment for me - no samples to guide me - need to be
cautious in the feedback I give so that it is not undue assistance. Hence
my anxiety. I would feel better about approaching this SAT if all
assessment was due in SIAR 3.

Over and out.


On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Vella, James <jvella at mackillop.vic.edu.au>
wrote:

> My understanding of what is being put forward is not actually what happens
> in other SAT subjects. In other subjects, they provide general feedback as
> the students progress through the task with the students not being marked
> until SIAR 3.
>
> If we follow the assessment guidelines, we can provide generalised
> feedback that may assist the student in revising their planned submission
> as they are working through the task.
>
> Once we mark a piece of work or submission, the mark is final. The
> feedback that goes with that piece of work can then be framed in such a way
> so as not to disadvantage students later on in the process.
>
> We cannot provide direct and descriptive feedback as that generally falls
> under the category of undue assistance.
>
> I'm not sure how we don't follow a similar process to other tech subjects
> as from what I can tell we analyse, design, develop (make & test) and
> evaluate (project & project plan).
>
> Again just my 2 cents...
>
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> > From: Ramu Gupta <ramu.guru at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SAT training day
> > To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"
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> > While I don't share your enthusiasm - it was good networking with other
> > teachers - some thing which Phil mentioned a few times and needs to be
> more
> > of it.
> >
> > Just wondering why both this SAT is not being reported like other
> > Technology subjects which follow the design, make, test and evaluate
> > process?
> >
> > At least when they report - only in SIAR3 - students have had a chance to
> > modify their plans, ideas, design and be rewarded for it but in Software
> > Development - students can't receive a higher score for revising their
> > designs.
> >
> > I don't understand the reasoning behind it....
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Paragreen, Chris J <
> > paragreen.chris.j at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks to everyone who contributed today. A fantastic opportunity to
> gain
> >> some clarity.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In my discussions with people, a few requested a copy of my Yearly
> >> planner. This is attached in case anybody may find it useful. I?ve
> hastily
> >> added some dates for SAT milestone targets and included them in *blue*.
> >> U3O1 I have broken into 5 parts, these are shown in *red*. (I think I?m
> >> going to spend my entire life assessing student work for soft dev ? but
> >> hopefully each assessment chunk can be done relatively quickly.) I?ve
> also
> >> attached a (very) rough outline of what I?ll be assessing in each part
> of
> >> U3O1.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Finally, for forward planning (ie 2017) ? if you update the starting
> date
> >> for each term, the rest of the weeks get updated automatically.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> >> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Shortell
> >> *Sent:* Monday, 15 February 2016 7:30 PM
> >> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> >> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> >> *Subject:* [Year 12 SofDev] SAT training day
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi All
> >>
> >> especially the eighty or so at the SAT training day today
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have come away from the day really pleased that I attended
> >>
> >> A big thanks to Paula, Phil Feain, James Vella and Chris Bedford
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Over the next few days I am going to change around how I intend to
> deliver
> >> Unit 3 so that my students can meet the authentication guidelines within
> >> the timeline imposed by the SIAR 1 deadlines for entering criteria 1-4
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> During the day our "group think? came up with a few possible scenarios:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ?Weekly food list to create a shopping list - the cupboard and fridge
> >> ?talk? to the shopping list (audience the elderly & so might include
> >> liaising with meals on wheels ) - might involve perhaps four tables in a
> >> database
> >>
> >> ?Which Pills to take (elderly again) Audience might involve the
> >> neighbourhood grandmas (Blended families can produce up to eight
> grannies
> >> in one family) and can
> >>
> >>            be extended to the nursing home where you have to look after
> >> your own grannies (minimum three tables)
> >>
> >> ?How to handle detentions incl: causes, results, feedback  (at least
> four
> >> tables)
> >>
> >> ?group exercise tracker - younger people? (three tables at least)
> >>
> >> ?Contacts data - (minimum three tables) - does not involve any
> >> calculations in teh code but lots of sorting, searching and relating
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> and all of these would have a login which might just need a user class
> >> which just might contain a method or two and data of different types
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> and you might say - But Wait - there?s more ?> so post and contribute ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks again for today
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Andrew Shortell
> >>
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> >>
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> > From: David Dawson <David.Dawson at wesleycollege.net>
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> > It was a very valuable day for most of us, including me. Thanks to Phil,
> Claudia and the team as many queries were answered effectively.
> >
> > Ramu actually makes a very good point though ? and I guess the reasoning
> is so that we can still submit unit 3 and 4 marks separately.
> > Nevertheless it would be unlikely that students would not improve their
> thinking throughout the process and alter their design/project management
> in some way ? so I guess they should at least NOT be penalised for doing so.
> > Cheers
> > David
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> > From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Ramu Gupta
> > Sent: Wednesday, 17 February 2016 8:37 AM
> > To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SAT training day
> >
> > While I don't share your enthusiasm - it was good networking with other
> teachers - some thing which Phil mentioned a few times and needs to be more
> of it.
> >
> > Just wondering why both this SAT is not being reported like other
> Technology subjects which follow the design, make, test and evaluate
> process?
> >
> > At least when they report - only in SIAR3 - students have had a chance
> to modify their plans, ideas, design and be rewarded for it but in Software
> Development - students can't receive a higher score for revising their
> designs.
> >
> > I don't understand the reasoning behind it....
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Paragreen, Chris J <
> paragreen.chris.j at edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:
> paragreen.chris.j at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
> > Thanks to everyone who contributed today. A fantastic opportunity to
> gain some clarity.
> >
> > In my discussions with people, a few requested a copy of my Yearly
> planner. This is attached in case anybody may find it useful. I?ve hastily
> added some dates for SAT milestone targets and included them in blue. U3O1
> I have broken into 5 parts, these are shown in red. (I think I?m going to
> spend my entire life assessing student work for soft dev ? but hopefully
> each assessment chunk can be done relatively quickly.) I?ve also attached a
> (very) rough outline of what I?ll be assessing in each part of U3O1.
> >
> > Finally, for forward planning (ie 2017) ? if you update the starting
> date for each term, the rest of the weeks get updated automatically.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
> <mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>] On Behalf Of Andrew Shortell
> > Sent: Monday, 15 February 2016 7:30 PM
> > To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> sofdev at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev at edulists.com.au>>
> > Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] SAT training day
> >
> > Hi All
> > especially the eighty or so at the SAT training day today
> >
> > I have come away from the day really pleased that I attended
> > A big thanks to Paula, Phil Feain, James Vella and Chris Bedford
> >
> > Over the next few days I am going to change around how I intend to
> deliver Unit 3 so that my students can meet the authentication guidelines
> within the timeline imposed by the SIAR 1 deadlines for entering criteria
> 1-4
> >
> > During the day our "group think? came up with a few possible scenarios:
> >
> > ?Weekly food list to create a shopping list - the cupboard and fridge
> ?talk? to the shopping list (audience the elderly & so might include
> liaising with meals on wheels ) - might involve perhaps four tables in a
> database
> > ?Which Pills to take (elderly again) Audience might involve the
> neighbourhood grandmas (Blended families can produce up to eight grannies
> in one family) and can
> >            be extended to the nursing home where you have to look after
> your own grannies (minimum three tables)
> > ?How to handle detentions incl: causes, results, feedback  (at least
> four tables)
> > ?group exercise tracker - younger people? (three tables at least)
> > ?Contacts data - (minimum three tables) - does not involve any
> calculations in teh code but lots of sorting, searching and relating
> >
> >
> > and all of these would have a login which might just need a user class
> which just might contain a method or two and data of different types
> >
> > and you might say - But Wait - there?s more ?> so post and contribute ?
> >
> > Thanks again for today
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > Andrew Shortell
> > Educator
> > CRC Melton
> >
> >
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