[Year 12 SofDev] python UI

Wed Aug 5 13:10:56 AEST 2015

Hmm, I am not sure why really. All of those points can be satisfied in Javascript. The only one that comes close to being difficult is the first one. However, this would make PHP (and probably some of the others) similarly difficult to use too if you said you can’t create a GUI in Javascript. I doubt many people are using php-gtk to create their PHP GUI’s?!

Considering that you can now run almost the entire stack for an application in pure Javascript, I am not sure why it wouldn’t be considered for use in SD.

If approved languages have to be object oriented then that is just ridiculous. Functional programming requires just as much skill, knowledge and creativity as OO programming.

I don’t even like Javascript, but not including it as a capable programming language is just wrong.

Guy

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On 5 August 2015 at 12:17, Guy Flaherty <Guy.Flaherty at xavier.vic.edu.au<mailto:Guy.Flaherty at xavier.vic.edu.au>> wrote:

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If there are no ‘approved languages’ any more for SD from 2016, I would hope that Javascript would be possible to use and then web based interfaces could result in a much more meaningful and modern course.

I'd very much doubt that Javascript would be an option (in its own right).

I'd bet two echidnas and a Paddle Pop that any 2016-2019 language will have to be object-oriented.

The current language-selection guidelines includes these requirements...

Students will use one programming language from the accompanying list, to develop purpose-designed solutions. In the development of solutions, students should be able to:

  *   develop a graphical user interface (GUI), for use in mobile computing devices...
  *   construct and use data structures, for example multi-dimensional arrays, records, queues and stacks
  *   design, construct and use files (not databases) to store and retrieve data
  *   design and apply data validation techniques
  *   use program control structures: selection, iteration and sequencing.

 Additional languages can be used to embellish a solution, for example JavaScript with web pages; however, these would be supplementary to the main language and not replace it.
Javascript is not currently approved, and I'd say the 2016 minimum function list would not be any less demanding.

Make that three echidnas and a Golden Gaytime.

Cheers
Mark

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In SD, students need to create working solutions where the interface is required to be user friendly…. So what language are we supposed to use?????

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That's what I like about it! I'm not sure a GUI approach to language learning is always the right way in at this level; although I like the Scratch approach to problem solving eventually the students have to dive into syntax. I'm very fond of Python, just not very expert at it - there's always something else to do at work!
Laurie

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On 5 August 2015 at 09:13, Guy Flaherty <Guy.Flaherty at xavier.vic.edu.au<mailto:Guy.Flaherty at xavier.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
There are a bunch of Python Web Frameworks Laurie. Probably the biggest of them is Django (http://djangoproject.com/). I am not teaching SD again this year but if I were I would look at using something like this and JQueryMobile (http://jquerymobile.com/) and get the students building mobile apps for their phones.

Python is not really a GUI focussed language. You can do it, but other languages are probably going to be easier to teach and use. Don’t get me wrong, I love Python. Been using it for 15 years now, but not for GUI programming.

Good luck,

Guy Flaherty
Xavier College

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I haven't cracked using Python as a web tool yet so I'm interested in how people go about this. Is there anything like Ruby on Rails? (maybe Python on a Swing?)
Laurie

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On 4 August 2015 at 22:41, Andrew Pate <arp at mentonegrammar.net<mailto:arp at mentonegrammar.net>> wrote:
Hi all
Just wondering through what mechanism those of you using python as your language are having students build UI? Is it web or otherwise platform independent?
I have been using PHP for a few years now, and probably will continue, but I have a number of students in 9-11 taking the Grok NCSS challenge and thought about looking into python as my language. Also, the Algorithmics course mandates python, and I would like to offer that, although I know that UI is not so important there.

Thanks
Andrew.

Andrew Pate
Mentone Grammar

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