[Year 12 SofDev] sofdev Digest, Vol 125, Issue 8

Weiyuan, Xin X weiyuan.xin.x at edumail.vic.gov.au
Wed Aug 5 12:22:16 AEST 2015 

Hi Mark,

Do you know which school is using C++?

Regards,

Weiyuan Xin

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   1. Re: python UI (Mark)
   2. Re: python UI (Guy Flaherty)


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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:02:00 +1000
From: Mark <mark at vceit.com>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI
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Hi Victoria.

I suspect your question is dramatically rhetorical, but for the sake of those who don't know...

For this year, VCAA neatly lists the approved languages <http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Pages/correspondence/bulletins/2010/June/vce_study.aspx#4>
:

   - Basic (object-oriented variations only, e.g. VB.NET) - including VB6
   still !
   - C++
   - C#
   - Objective-C
   - Pascal (object-oriented variations only, e.g. Delphi)
   - Java
   - Perl
   - PHP
   - Python
   - Ruby

Sadly, neither Scratch nor QuickBASIC 4.5 qualifies  ;-)

But henceforth, for the *new* study design (2016-2019) there is no longer an approved list of programming languages. There will, however, be a list of functions of which a chosen language must be capable.

Mark


On 5 August 2015 at 11:48, Victoria Farrell <FarrellV at humegrammar.vic.edu.au
> wrote:

> In SD, students need to create working solutions where the interface 
> is required to be user friendly?. So what language are we supposed to use?????
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Laurie Savage
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 August 2015 11:43 AM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI
>
>
>
> That's what I like about it! I'm not sure a GUI approach to language 
> learning is always the right way in at this level; although I like the 
> Scratch approach to problem solving eventually the students have to 
> dive into syntax. I'm very fond of Python, just not very expert at it 
> - there's always something else to do at work!
>
> Laurie
>
>
> Laurie Savage
> https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home
>
>
>
> On 5 August 2015 at 09:13, Guy Flaherty 
> <Guy.Flaherty at xavier.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> There are a bunch of Python Web Frameworks Laurie. Probably the 
> biggest of them is Django (http://djangoproject.com/). I am not 
> teaching SD again this year but if I were I would look at using 
> something like this and JQueryMobile (http://jquerymobile.com/) and 
> get the students building mobile apps for their phones.
>
>
>
> Python is not really a GUI focussed language. You can do it, but other 
> languages are probably going to be easier to teach and use. Don?t get 
> me wrong, I love Python. Been using it for 15 years now, but not for 
> GUI programming.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
>
>
> Guy Flaherty
>
> Xavier College
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Laurie Savage
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 August 2015 8:43 AM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List < 
> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI
>
>
>
> I haven't cracked using Python as a web tool yet so I'm interested in 
> how people go about this. Is there anything like Ruby on Rails? (maybe 
> Python on a Swing?)
>
> Laurie
>
>
> Laurie Savage
> https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home
>
>
>
> On 4 August 2015 at 22:41, Andrew Pate <arp at mentonegrammar.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all
> Just wondering through what mechanism those of you using python as 
> your language are having students build UI? Is it web or otherwise 
> platform independent?
> I have been using PHP for a few years now, and probably will continue, 
> but I have a number of students in 9-11 taking the Grok NCSS challenge 
> and thought about looking into python as my language. Also, the 
> Algorithmics course mandates python, and I would like to offer that, 
> although I know that UI is not so important there.
>
> Thanks
> Andrew.
>
> Andrew Pate
> Mentone Grammar
>
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 02:17:22 +0000
From: Guy Flaherty <Guy.Flaherty at xavier.vic.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI
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Hi Victoria,

There are four main GUI toolkits for Python:

PyQT - http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/software/pyqt/
PyGTK - http://www.pygtk.org/
Tkinter - https://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter
wxPython - http://wxpython.org/

None are really beginner friendly, but that doesn?t mean you couldn?t produce an interesting and challenging SD course with them. It would just take effort or quite a bit of background knowledge.

Personally, I would go with something like Jquerymobile for the GUI part of the app and python, or another language, for the programming (backend) part.

If there are no ?approved languages? any more for SD from 2016, I would hope that Javascript would be possible to use and then web based interfaces could result in a much more meaningful and modern course.

Guy

From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Victoria Farrell
Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2015 11:49 AM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI

In SD, students need to create working solutions where the interface is required to be user friendly?. So what language are we supposed to use?????

From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Laurie Savage
Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2015 11:43 AM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI

That's what I like about it! I'm not sure a GUI approach to language learning is always the right way in at this level; although I like the Scratch approach to problem solving eventually the students have to dive into syntax. I'm very fond of Python, just not very expert at it - there's always something else to do at work!
Laurie

Laurie Savage
https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home

On 5 August 2015 at 09:13, Guy Flaherty <Guy.Flaherty at xavier.vic.edu.au<mailto:Guy.Flaherty at xavier.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
There are a bunch of Python Web Frameworks Laurie. Probably the biggest of them is Django (http://djangoproject.com/). I am not teaching SD again this year but if I were I would look at using something like this and JQueryMobile (http://jquerymobile.com/) and get the students building mobile apps for their phones.

Python is not really a GUI focussed language. You can do it, but other languages are probably going to be easier to teach and use. Don?t get me wrong, I love Python. Been using it for 15 years now, but not for GUI programming.

Good luck,

Guy Flaherty
Xavier College

From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>] On Behalf Of Laurie Savage
Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2015 8:43 AM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev at edulists.com.au>>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI

I haven't cracked using Python as a web tool yet so I'm interested in how people go about this. Is there anything like Ruby on Rails? (maybe Python on a Swing?) Laurie

Laurie Savage
https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home

On 4 August 2015 at 22:41, Andrew Pate <arp at mentonegrammar.net<mailto:arp at mentonegrammar.net>> wrote:
Hi all
Just wondering through what mechanism those of you using python as your language are having students build UI? Is it web or otherwise platform independent?
I have been using PHP for a few years now, and probably will continue, but I have a number of students in 9-11 taking the Grok NCSS challenge and thought about looking into python as my language. Also, the Algorithmics course mandates python, and I would like to offer that, although I know that UI is not so important there.

Thanks
Andrew.

Andrew Pate
Mentone Grammar

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