[Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help

[Mark]

What if VITTA (I can't recall their new name ATM - a bit embarrassing -
their new acronym is FAR from memorable) supported/sponsored a wikibook
full of programming theory, tips and exercises?  Plus links to online
resources.  People seem to be crying out for a resource like that.

We could toss in material here at the SD EduList. (Or maybe sell it to the
publisher for a fee?)
They could compile, edit and publish it: probably online (since it would
grow over time) for a fee, or free for VITTA members?

It might get messy with author permissions and copyright clearances, but
that's what the publisher gets paid for.

I quite like proposing ideas that cause other people to work really hard.

Anyway, it's just a Friday Afternoon Idea... At least I *think* it's
Friday. I really must check, one of these days.

Mark

Hang on - is that a glass of Cab Merlot over there?  Please excuse me for a
second...


On 2 May 2014 10:29, PIKE Philip <pikep at bmg.vic.edu.au> wrote:

>  Hi all, I have attached some of my worksheet. Please free to put them on
> Edulists. Apologies if I have resubmitted a worksheet I received from
> someone else.
>
> I know everyone has their own way of handling text files, but I find this
> method works OK.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Philip Pike *Director of ICT
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> * Bacchus Marsh Grammar T.* 03 5366 4893  *F.* 03 5366 4850
> *E.* pikep at bmg.vic.edu.au  *W.* http://www.bmg.vic.edu.au
> South Maddingley Road | PO Box 214 | Bacchus Marsh Victoria 3340
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>  *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Rosicka
> *Sent:* Friday, 2 May 2014 9:04 AM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help
>
>
>
> Here is a start, Kevork can you add these to the edulist website, if you
> think they are of any value. I think the pseudocode one is already there
> but, not sure if Vic has a copy. Also, the ProgramTest.docx was something
> Mark Kelly put on the mailing list a few weeks back I think! I just wrote
> it up as a progress test for my students. Algorithms document is a few old
> visual basics programs that I am getting the students to recode in vb.net2010, linear search, bubble sort etc….
>
>
>
> Thanks, Stephen
>
>
>
> *From: *Victoria Farrell <FarrellV at humegrammar.vic.edu.au>
> *Reply-To: *Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> *Date: *Thursday, May 1, 2014 at 9:08 AM
> *To: *Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject: *Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help
>
>
>
> I’ll take anything I can get at this stage.
>
> THANK YOU!
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On
> Behalf Of *Stephen Rosicka
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 April 2014 4:42 PM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I just got off the phone with the copyright
>
> agency! I have two visual basics books from
>
> 2002 designed for software development.
>
> They were originally an Arthur Anderson book
>
> Published by emerald city books in Malvern!
>
>
>
> They have a lot of good algorithms in there
>
> To do with sorting and searching. I thought
>
> it would be a good exercise for my SD kids,
>
> to rewrite the algorithms from the old VB
>
> std to vb.net 2010! I am quite happy to put the
>
> Algorithms in a doc and email to the list,
>
> if anybody thinks them worthwhile! I have
>
> been told by copyright in Sydney that they
>
> have nothing on record and that if I have
>
> made a genuine attempt to contact all
>
> parties without success I am in the clear.
>
>
>
> Stephen
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 30 Apr 2014, at 12:59 pm, "Kevork KROZIAN" <
> kkrozian at ringwoodsc.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>
>  Hi Folks,
>
>
>
>   I know VB is the overwhelming language of choice for SD teachers.
>  Whilst we have some resources for VB.NET programming at
> http://www.edulists.com.au/sofdev/index.htm , wouldn’t it be wonderful if
> we could get perhaps a graduated set of worksheets/lessons/tasks that could
> be shared by others especially those who are struggling and would love some
> help ?
>
>
>
> I am more the PHP, Java, C# type of person and don’t have a ready made set
> of tasks to pass on in VB , but since around 90% of teachers do choose VB,
> perhaps some could help to make Victoria’s and others’ lives a little more
> manageable when faced with something as challenging as a new Yr 12 course
> and no programming practice for many years.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
>
>
> Kevork Krozian
>
> IT Pathways Manager
>
> Ringwood Trade Training Facility
>
> Tel: 0419 356 034
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On
> Behalf Of *Howard, David
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 April 2014 11:16 AM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help
>
>
>
> There are great courses on Codecademy and Lynda.com
>
>
>
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>
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> *From: *Victoria Farrell <FarrellV at humegrammar.vic.edu.au>
> *Reply-To: *Year List <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 30 April 2014 10:51 am
> *To: *Year List <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject: *Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help
>
>
>
> Hi Kevork
>
>
>
> In SD I’m using VB, but I have a Computer Club for all students who want
> to participate in various activities. I am more familiar with Small Basic,
> so I have been teaching the other classes SB as I thought it’s a good
> introduction.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions for programming short  courses would be appreciated – as I
> spend hours of my time updating my skills in everything else and teaching
> myself programming is proving too difficult.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vic
>
>
>
> *From:*sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On
> Behalf Of *Kevork KROZIAN
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 April 2014 9:16 AM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help
>
>
>
> Hi Victoria
>
>
>
> What language are you using in your course ?
>
>
>
> Kevork
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung GALAXY S4 on the Telstra 4G network
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Victoria Farrell
>
> Date:30/04/2014 7:51 AM (GMT+10:00)
>
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help
>
>
>
> Thank you SO MUCH Peter, this has helped a lot!!!
>
>
>
> Vic
>
>
>
> *From:*sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On
> Behalf Of *Coventry, Peter J
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 29 April 2014 7:06 PM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help
>
>
>
> The program you have is slightly different in its intentions – it asks for
> a number *n* and then generates the first *n* prime numbers.
>
>
>
> However it could be adapted fairly easily by modifying the exit condition
> for the loop. (i.e. the program would ask for the last number and then
> check if Num=n to exit MainLoop. The Ender section would print
> Array.GetItemCount(Prime)
>
>
>
> I’ve added some comments to the program to hopefully explain how it works.
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: I don’t teach SD, and don’t really know Small Basic – I did a
> fair bit of programming in another life and still enjoy the occasional
> dabble.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> *From:*sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On
> Behalf Of *Victoria Farrell
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 29 April 2014 8:27 AM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Very new to Software Development and it’s been 20 odd years since
> programming at Uni, I could use some help with a problem.
>
>
>
> I recently had students involved in the Melbourne University Programming
> Competition and had problems with solving the following question:
>
>
>
> A positive integer x > 1 is a prime if its only factors are 1 and x.
> Hence the numbers 2, 11, and 101 are primes, but 1, 9,
>
> and 1001 are not prime*.
>
> The input to your program is a single positive integer n. The output
> should be the number of primes that are _ n.
>
> For example, if the input is 1000 then the output is 168.
>
> * In case you’re wondering, 1001 = 7 _ 11 _ 13.
>
> Your five answers should be for
>
> 1. n = 10
>
> 2. n = 100
>
> 3. n = 100; 000
>
> 4. n = 10; 000; 000
>
> 5. n = 20; 000; 000
>
>
>
>
>
> We decided to solve in Small Basic so as to get a handle on lops and
> arrays, but did not manage to solve it. I found a solution online (below)
> but was not able to understand how the array worked. It doesn’t solve the
> problem exactly as it just lists the input number of primes, but it certain
> can calculate/select for primes.
>
>
>
> Init:
>
> TextWindow.WriteLine("How many Prime numbers (1-1000)? ")
>
> N=TextWindow.ReadNumber()
>
> *If*N<1Or N>1000*Then*
>
>   TextWindow.WriteLine("That's All Folks!")
>
>   TextWindow.Pause()
>
>   Program.End()
>
> *EndIf*
>
>
>
>
>
> Prime="1=2;"  ‘ Prime is an array to hold the prime numbers we find.
> Start by creating a single element array with value 2 – the first prime
> number
>
> Num=Prime[Array.GetItemCount(Prime)] ‘ Num is the current number we are
> checking to see if it is prime. This gets the value of the last element in
> Prime. Could have also said Num=2
>
>
>
>
>
> MainLoop:
>
> Num=Num+1 ‘ looking at the next number to see if it is prime
>
>
>
>   Flag=1 ‘ Flag is 1 if Num is prime
>
>
>
>   *For* i=1*To*Array.GetItemCount(Prime)  ‘ Loop through each of the
> prime numbers in the array so far,
>
>     *If*(Math.Remainder(Num,Prime[i])=0)*Then*  ‘ check ifthe prime
> number is a factor of Num
>
>       *'Not Prime*
>
>       Flag=0 ‘ resets Flag
>
>       i=Array.GetItemCount(Prime) ‘ sets i to the last value so it exits
> this loop
>
>     *EndIf*
>
>   *EndFor*
>
>  *If* Flag=1*Then** ‘*if we get to here with Flag=1 then the number has
> no factors besides itself – so it is prime
>
>     Prime[Array.GetItemCount(Prime)+1]=Num  ‘add this number to the end
> of the Prime array
>
>     TextWindow.Write(Array.GetItemCount(Prime))  ‘print something out
>
>     TextWindow.WriteLine("   "+Num)
>
>     *if*Array.GetItemCount(Prime)>=N*Then*  ‘If we have found the number
> of primes requested, then exit the MainLoop
>
>       *Goto* Ender
>
>     *EndIf*
>
>   *EndIf*
>
>   *Goto* MainLoop
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ender:
>
> *'TextWindow.Write("Press any key to continue...")*
>
> TextWindow.WriteLine("---")
>
> TextWindow.Pause()
>
> *Goto*Init
>
>
>
> Can anyone  give me a brief written description, or point me to an online
> resource that can explain how this array functions? Can anyone identify a
> Small Basic function more suited to this problem?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vic
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