[Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help

Fri May 2 13:33:50 EST 2014

Kevork,

Can you please email the current userid and password for the edulist sd site please. I have a new laptop and can’t remember the login info…

Thanks….

From: Kevork KROZIAN <kkrozian at ringwoodsc.vic.edu.au<mailto:kkrozian at ringwoodsc.vic.edu.au>>
Reply-To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev at edulists.com.au>>
Date: Friday, May 2, 2014 at 10:51 AM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev at edulists.com.au>>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help

Dear Stephen

I know I speak for everyone when I say thank you so much for sharing .
These will be on Edulists shortly.

Kind Regards

Kevork Krozian
IT Pathways Manager
Ringwood Trade Training Facility
Tel: 0419 356 034

From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Stephen Rosicka
Sent: Friday, 2 May 2014 9:04 AM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help

Here is a start, Kevork can you add these to the edulist website, if you think they are of any value. I think the pseudocode one is already there but, not sure if Vic has a copy. Also, the ProgramTest.docx was something Mark Kelly put on the mailing list a few weeks back I think! I just wrote it up as a progress test for my students. Algorithms document is a few old visual basics programs that I am getting the students to recode in vb.net 2010, linear search, bubble sort etc….

Thanks, Stephen

From: Victoria Farrell <FarrellV at humegrammar.vic.edu.au<mailto:FarrellV at humegrammar.vic.edu.au>>
Reply-To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev at edulists.com.au>>
Date: Thursday, May 1, 2014 at 9:08 AM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev at edulists.com.au>>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help

I’ll take anything I can get at this stage.
THANK YOU!

From:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Stephen Rosicka
Sent: Wednesday, 30 April 2014 4:42 PM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help

Hi all,

I just got off the phone with the copyright
agency! I have two visual basics books from
2002 designed for software development.
They were originally an Arthur Anderson book
Published by emerald city books in Malvern!

They have a lot of good algorithms in there
To do with sorting and searching. I thought
it would be a good exercise for my SD kids,
to rewrite the algorithms from the old VB
std to vb.net<http://vb.net> 2010! I am quite happy to put the
Algorithms in a doc and email to the list,
if anybody thinks them worthwhile! I have
been told by copyright in Sydney that they
have nothing on record and that if I have
made a genuine attempt to contact all
parties without success I am in the clear.

Stephen

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Apr 2014, at 12:59 pm, "Kevork KROZIAN" <kkrozian at ringwoodsc.vic.edu.au<mailto:kkrozian at ringwoodsc.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
Hi Folks,

  I know VB is the overwhelming language of choice for SD teachers.  Whilst we have some resources for VB.NET<http://VB.NET> programming at http://www.edulists.com.au/sofdev/index.htm , wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could get perhaps a graduated set of worksheets/lessons/tasks that could be shared by others especially those who are struggling and would love some help ?

I am more the PHP, Java, C# type of person and don’t have a ready made set of tasks to pass on in VB , but since around 90% of teachers do choose VB, perhaps some could help to make Victoria’s and others’ lives a little more manageable when faced with something as challenging as a new Yr 12 course and no programming practice for many years.

Kind Regards

Kevork Krozian
IT Pathways Manager
Ringwood Trade Training Facility
Tel: 0419 356 034

From:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Howard, David
Sent: Wednesday, 30 April 2014 11:16 AM
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There are great courses on Codecademy and Lynda.com<http://Lynda.com>

David Howard
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From: Victoria Farrell <FarrellV at humegrammar.vic.edu.au<mailto:FarrellV at humegrammar.vic.edu.au>>
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Date: Wednesday, 30 April 2014 10:51 am
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help

Hi Kevork

In SD I’m using VB, but I have a Computer Club for all students who want to participate in various activities. I am more familiar with Small Basic, so I have been teaching the other classes SB as I thought it’s a good introduction.

Any suggestions for programming short  courses would be appreciated – as I spend hours of my time updating my skills in everything else and teaching myself programming is proving too difficult.

Cheers,
Vic

From:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork KROZIAN
Sent: Wednesday, 30 April 2014 9:16 AM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help

Hi Victoria

What language are you using in your course ?

Kevork

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From: Victoria Farrell
Date:30/04/2014 7:51 AM (GMT+10:00)
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help

Thank you SO MUCH Peter, this has helped a lot!!!

Vic

From:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Coventry, Peter J
Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2014 7:06 PM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help

The program you have is slightly different in its intentions – it asks for a number n and then generates the first n prime numbers.

However it could be adapted fairly easily by modifying the exit condition for the loop. (i.e. the program would ask for the last number and then check if Num=n to exit MainLoop. The Ender section would print Array.GetItemCount(Prime)

I’ve added some comments to the program to hopefully explain how it works.

Disclaimer: I don’t teach SD, and don’t really know Small Basic – I did a fair bit of programming in another life and still enjoy the occasional dabble.

Cheers,
Peter

From:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Victoria Farrell
Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2014 8:27 AM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Programming Help

Hi,

Very new to Software Development and it’s been 20 odd years since programming at Uni, I could use some help with a problem.

I recently had students involved in the Melbourne University Programming Competition and had problems with solving the following question:

A positive integer x > 1 is a prime if its only factors are 1 and x. Hence the numbers 2, 11, and 101 are primes, but 1, 9,
and 1001 are not prime*.
The input to your program is a single positive integer n. The output should be the number of primes that are _ n.
For example, if the input is 1000 then the output is 168.
* In case you’re wondering, 1001 = 7 _ 11 _ 13.
Your five answers should be for
1.n = 10
2. n = 100
3. n = 100; 000
4. n = 10; 000; 000
5. n = 20; 000; 000

We decided to solve in Small Basic so as to get a handle on lops and arrays, but did not manage to solve it. I found a solution online (below) but was not able to understand how the array worked. It doesn’t solve the problem exactly as it just lists the input number of primes, but it certain can calculate/select for primes.

Init:
TextWindow.WriteLine("How many Prime numbers (1-1000)? ")
N=TextWindow.ReadNumber()
IfN<1Or N>1000Then
  TextWindow.WriteLine("That's All Folks!")
  TextWindow.Pause()
  Program.End()
EndIf

Prime="1=2;"  ‘ Prime is an array to hold the prime numbers we find. Start by creating a single element array with value 2 – the first prime number
Num=Prime[Array.GetItemCount(Prime)] ‘ Num is the current number we are checking to see if it is prime. This gets the value of the last element in Prime. Could have also said Num=2

MainLoop:
Num=Num+1 ‘ looking at the next number to see if it is prime

  Flag=1 ‘ Flag is 1 if Num is prime

  For i=1ToArray.GetItemCount(Prime)  ‘ Loop through each of the prime numbers in the array so far,
    If(Math.Remainder(Num,Prime[i])=0)Then  ‘ check ifthe prime number is a factor of Num
      'Not Prime
      Flag=0 ‘ resets Flag
      i=Array.GetItemCount(Prime) ‘ sets i to the last value so it exits this loop
    EndIf
  EndFor
 If Flag=1Then ‘if we get to here with Flag=1 then the number has no factors besides itself – so it is prime
    Prime[Array.GetItemCount(Prime)+1]=Num  ‘add this number to the end of the Prime array
    TextWindow.Write(Array.GetItemCount(Prime))  ‘print something out
    TextWindow.WriteLine("   "+Num)
    ifArray.GetItemCount(Prime)>=NThen  ‘If we have found the number of primes requested, then exit the MainLoop
      Goto Ender
    EndIf
  EndIf
  Goto MainLoop

Ender:
'TextWindow.Write("Press any key to continue...")
TextWindow.WriteLine("---")
TextWindow.Pause()
GotoInit

Can anyone  give me a brief written description, or point me to an online resource that can explain how this array functions? Can anyone identify a Small Basic function more suited to this problem?

Thanks,
Vic

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