[Year 12 SofDev] Another brick in the software wall

Mon Oct 28 09:55:26 EST 2013

Back in Planning Branch in Telstra we had an oh so cool Apple IIE beefed up to 64k (I think that was the maximum RAM) running Visicalc and Zardax. It cut weeks of drudge-work off my work schedule (I was a forecaster calculating regressions, weighted smoothed averages and Box-Jenkins data smoothing routines to model sales and traffic).  The high point of the poor beast's usage was using it as a dumb terminal to control SPSS on a Honeywell Mainframe. Who remembers Honeywell? Anyone?

Laurie Savage
http://accelerus.pvgc.vic.edu.au

From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2013 10:33 PM
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Walking from the maths building to the computer centre with the punched cards....been there, done that!...RMIT.circa 1982.
Bfn!

Kent Beveridge
ICT Coordinator & Maths teacher

On 23 Oct 2013, at 9:18 pm, "Andrew Shortell" <shortell at get2me.net<mailto:shortell at get2me.net>> wrote:
I do believe you could perhaps add letters after your name

I hereby confer AD(companion) upon you.
You rate the halo of companion to the glorious order of associate dinosaurs as you can still remember what you did with the items under discussion.

I recently disposed of archived punch cards and mark sense cards from 1978 when i was at uni which I used to input my programmes into the computers.

(for those under 55 we used to punch all of the cards (using a terminal), take them in large boxes to the computer building, hand them over and come back 12 - 20 hours later to get our print outs.
after a couple of box drops I started to sequentially number my cards on the obverse side ...)

it was a lot of fun and we felt we were exploring new frontiers. I enjoyed it.
now we are exploring different new frontiers in pedagogy with 1:1, flipped learning etc.

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On 23/10/2013, at 8:44 PM, Kent Beveridge <kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au<mailto:kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au>> wrote:

Maybe I didn't 'teach' with the TRS80, it was on my work desk...not a classroom desk! I was doing production planner/stock controller work! This was the first MIcro-computer I used for a wage!  I did use the cyber at RMIT in the early 1980's with punched cards during a mathematics degree!then later the VAX/VMS and DG MVS systems in the stock broking industry(various clients).

Ps...I used early spreadsheets in my job too....funny how the formulae are still similar to back then!
I enjoying this yak(thread)!...
Sooo Andrew, I reckon perhaps an associate dinosaur membership then as I used these techs professionally...??
And I did teach others to use them too!....it's called job training!
Hehehe...
Kent.

Kent Beveridge
ICT Coordinator & Maths teacher

On 23 Oct 2013, at 5:21 pm, "Robert Hind" <robert at yinnar.com<mailto:robert at yinnar.com>> wrote:
:-)
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Bring back the Apple IIe I say.....lol

This is becoming like an old Monty python sketch...I remember when I used to get up half an hour before I went to sleep and lick the road clean with wet tongue !!!
Ay you were lucky.............

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From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Robert Hind
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Great to hear you youngsters arguing about being dinosaurs :-)

The first computer I used, in about 1971, was a Fairchild Nova. Cost about $40,000 and came with 2k of, ferrite core, RAM, teletype terminal, paper tape reader and magnetic tape storage.

First computer  I used in teaching was a TRS-80, in 1978. My own first computer was a Dick Smith System-80 which I was able to upgrade to 48k RAM.

So I definitely claim membership of the dinosaur club

Robert Hind
Retired
Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
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no Kent
unless you actually taught with them (like I did)
you are merely a "memory"saur

:: greybeard moment #1: I used a Mac where the OS was on a floppy and the wealthy had two floppy drives so the data could be stored without removing the OS disk
#2 I recall that at my father's work they had hard drives in a room and each was in a box 1 metre high by .9 by .9  and they EACH contained 1 Megabyte of data. Enormous (then)

I still mourn the loss of Oscar the Grouch singing to me when I emptied the trash on my early mac

Andrew

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On 23/10/2013, at 1:46 PM, Kent Beveridge <kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au<mailto:kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au>> wrote:

OMG Mark...I remember the 'trash' 80 too! (Tandy)
Way back in 'pre-teacher' days for me!  (had one on my desk!!!)

Sooo, does that mean I qualify as a dinosaur???

Kent.

Kent Beveridge
ICT Coordinator & Maths Teacher
kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au<mailto:kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au>

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The end of paid operating systems?
http://www.wired.com/business/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/

(Strokes grey beard)
I remember the good ol' days when the OS came in ROM. As for EPROM... luxury!!

In next week's Greybeard Moment...

I waggle my finger at young people and explain how my 1978 TRS-80 with 4KB of RAM (yes, kilobytes, not megabytes) only had uppercase characters to save on storage.  A full ASCII set is a senseless extravagance, I tell you!

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