[Year 12 SofDev] iOS/Android Dev

Wed May 30 08:38:53 EST 2012

Fascinating stuff Calum. Thanks for the information and links.

Laurie Savage

ICT Teacher | Student Assessment and Reporting Coordinator  |Pascoe Vale
Girls College

Lake Ave, Pascoe Vale | 03 9306 2544 | savage.john.l at edumail.vic.gov.au

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Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2012 3:06 PM
To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] iOS/Android Dev

Hi All,

I will be throwing my hat (mostly) onto the Android Platform. 

I do feel strongly that we should all be developing Units/Courses in IT
aimed at mobile technologies, iOS and Android.

Why Android for me?

.         I don't have any background in Apple/iOS

.         More customisable devices, more Open platform

.         Android devices are cheaper (Kogan 10" tablet $179 announced this
week)

.         From what I have seen, better options for teaching - by better I
mean easier - most of the iOS options are beyond my skill set

.         Teaching resources and materials being developed for education
(see attachments)

.         My own (limited) background is in Visual Basic, which we use in
Software Development VCE. There is a clear progression for me from Scratch,
to App Inventor, to Basic4Android <http://www.basic4ppc.com/>  to VB

I'm sure that other teachers/schools will favour iOS as their development
platform, but Android seems to be a better choice for me at the moment.

The files I have attached are from http://www.computingatschool.org.uk/ The
URL says it all. I stumbled upon it this afternoon while looking for info on
Raspberry Pi .. But that's another story

Calum

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Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 12:11 PM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] iOS/Android Dev

Hi James,

   This is great to allow students access to creating an app as you say in
20 mins.

The issue for us as IT teachers is at what level do we regard a GUI type of
app creation as a skill set as opposed to coding or a combination of coding
and GUI ?

 What are the transferable skills we are trying to teach ?  where does it
fit ? Yr 7 ? 8 ? 12 ?

Which vels standards or VCE IT key knowledge/ skills  does it map to ? 

Back to the HTML in notepad vs wisiwyg discussion/argument. ???

I would like to see a combination of these tools and coding. Eg. App
inventor has a great interface for Android app creation, and in addition
there is work towards creating an interface to show the java code generated
by the block building actions on the GUI.

  I can see a storm  brewing .......

Sent from my iPad

On 28/05/2012, at 9:56 AM, "Vella, James" <jvella at mackillop.vic.edu.au>
wrote:

Hi everyone

www.ibuildapp.com allows you to create free web apps for use with
iPod/iPad/iPhone.and these basic apps can be created in no more than around
20 mins.

I won't take the credit for it though because it was pointed out to me at
ICTEV2012 on Saturday by a young chap by the name of Jarrod Robinson along
with a number of other free and easy to use app builders.

There's no programming involved what so ever.

Regards

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Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] iOS online community is up and running

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Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 10:28 PM

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Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development

hi Kevork and all

Mobile OS ?  Because I am in an iPad community I am in favour of iOS -->
Last year at Swinburne I did an android OS half day and it was good (scratch
like interface)

If you make separate ones then I will go with both

Today at ICTEV conf the "killer Phrase" for me was  1:1 Self directed
learning  both at school and out of school

effectively it is all about students learning  and teachers learning  - not
teachers being oracles. There was a lot today about peer tutoring (teachers

->teachers, students - > students  and students to teachers)

Who controls what we learn, what students learn --> the learners.  we can
try to control what we tell them but with 1:1 they can control what they
learn, when they learn and why they learn.

So with iOS (& Android) we can help them to learn how to make apps that they
can use to help others learn and help others with learning.

With Unity they can make games etc that they can export to iOS, Android and
web base apps

Today I saw a web base app system , online systems to build simple apps and
they are easy

e.g. ibuildapp.com,   <http://www.buzztouch.com> www.buzztouch.com  and
others

Apparently there is also red foundry .com  - uses code pieces to create
apps, 

I am also excited about xcode  but.... (if you have looked at coding in
Unity it is not simple but yr 7 students apparently can use the jigsaw

approach)

This year NONE of my VCE students have printed in the classroom. They have
iPads, can pdf stuff, upload to dropbox, share it with me, 

the old fashioned ones even email me sometimes.

They have insisted on a facebook page (because they are used to it --> I Use
email to keep up with the facebook)

People want to learn --> let's help them to do it and help them to extend
them selves  and hopefully they will carry us along with them.

Andrew

(still buzzing form the conference)

Andrew Shortell

CRC Melton

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On 26/05/2012, at 6:34 PM, Kevork Krozian wrote:

Hi again Trav,

    I think all our efforts to bring xcode to students will be worthwhile.

I don't mean to favour one platform over another but to relay some
experiences. 

I am about to get a separate IOS on line community ( mailing list ) set up
to start building our obviously huge interest and passion for mobile
technologies. 

I had a colleague ask me 3 years ago what I thought elearning would look
like in the near future and my response was " interactive digital mobile
learning". 

This will be true of all learning inevitably.  To be clear, we are looking
at the use of these technologies, but influencing/creating the content that
is built on/in/with them.

My students in Yr 12 don't really understand what paper is anymore. Only
under extreme duress do they draw a UCD or DFD on paper and then capture an
image to put into their documents.

Most want to simply use gliffy or other software package and feel it is a
natural part of the learning to master this tool to then answer questions
about an SRS or sample SAC or learning activity.

I am about to get a separate IOS on line community ( mailing list )
happening to start building our obviously huge interest and passion for
mobile technologies. 

At this stage which communities ( forums, mailing lists ) do people think we
need ?

1. iphone, ipad or just IOS ?

2. Android  ?

3. Windows Phone ?

4. Games for learning with mobile apps ?

5. Mobile learning ?

Others ??

Kind Regards 

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Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 1:36 PM

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Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)

Hi Trav,

Yes, the investment is not lost on me.  I just hope xcode is not a negative
experience for teachers and students due to its difficulties.

I say this because I have taught XNA/Visual C# to Yr 9 and 10 for more than

3 years and most struggled. 

Keep well 

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Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:57 AM

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Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)

Kevork,

The thing with Adrian (And myself) is that our schools have invested a large
amount of time and money into iPad programs and I checked out appinventor
and it seems that they only export to android devices?

There seems to be a text on "App inventing for iPhones" by Graeme Summers
that I am ordering (Thanks Adrian) and a few of us are trying to organise a
new year 10 iOS app development course. If anyone is interested please speak
up!

Cheers

Trav

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Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:14 AM

To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List

Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)

Hi Adrian,

  This is all very useful to all of our colleagues.

I recently completed an Android app writing PD at Swinburne Uni Hawthorn
using appinventor ( see appinventor.org ) and found it very powerful and
effortless in transferring to a phone or sharing with other phones. For
those who don't have a phone an emulator will still allow testing of the app
on Mac or PC. The resources (software, textbooks, completed apps ) are free
online. The programming environment is a "scratch" type with no actual
coding but a GUI to connect objects, add methods, change properties and
parameters. This would translate to a Yr 8 to 10 course so much more easily
than say writing code in XNA or in Objective C I feel.

There are sections on using multi dimensional arrays, saving to a database
and much more. Is it starting to look like it could slot into Software
Development as a language ? Of course the coding would have to be done in
Java for it to be acceptable. There are efforts to provide a java view of
the Appinventor GUI see  <http://www.appinventor.org/roadmap>
http://www.appinventor.org/roadmap

but that would need to be clarified for Units 3 and 4 Software Development
purposes.

   An equally useful discussion would be to compare the competing app
writing and programming options. eg. Cost of registering as a devloper ?

How much will students understand when writing code in a language like
Objective C or C# for that matter ?

   One of the most useful apps in this series I worked on was "Find my car"

which allows recording of the current location using the GPS feature in the
phone and then after moving to another location requesting a map showing how
to find the car again. This interfaced with a voice feature where
instructions are announced on how to find your way back to the car or if
they are in the same spot, the family members you may have lost ......

   All very exciting ...

Keep well

Kevork

Hi Travis,

Apologies for the previous email - I have just transitioned to a new 

notebook and I had not set up my email signature yet!

I also hope I didn't get your hopes up! - basically what I wanted to 

say is that I have been teaching myself x-code / objective c this year

and also plan to run an iPhone / iPad dev course in 2013 - I would 

love to collaborate on something if you are interested?

Cheers,

Adrian

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Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)

Dear All,

Now that we have about 2250 iPads floating around the college, I was 

thinking of implementing an "App Development" course at year 10 next 

year that will run for a semester. We have also got a lab of 30 iMacs 

and  was going to use them to create iPad apps (Using XCode???). I was

wondering whether anyone does anything similar to this currently, or 

has any ideas on what to include. I'd be happy to share and compare 

notes and experiences with any interested parties.

Cheers

Trav

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