[Year 12 SofDev] RE: google
Andrew Shortell
a.shortell at braemar.vic.edu.au
Fri Sep 19 14:00:01 EST 2008
It is my understanding that Blackboard is like that too - anything put
on it is owned by Blackboard - it makes using it as an intranet somewhat
fraught
Andrew Shortell
Braemar College
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if I recall the show, the original text was withdrawn
due to howls of complaints from IT professionals
or their equivalent, not due to legal difficulties.
Russell Quinn
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:10:33 +1000
From: "Timmer-Arends" <timmer at melbpc.org.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice
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Actually ABC Background Briefing ('cloud computing') last Sunday
highlighted a case where Google had to withdraw a complex point in their
licence agreement re using Google docs. Underneath a mountain of legal
gobbledegook (or should that be googledegook) was a point that basically
said that anything you put into a google doc, Google can do what they
like with it, without reference to you in any way. Apparently they
withdrew the point a day after the launch of google docs because of the
outrage that followed, which was not so much about the idea as about the
incredibly obscure way that Google phrased it.
Regards
Robert T-A
Brighton SC
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Hi Russell,
One of the reasons that I included the bit about the lengthy licence
agreement is that it has been shown (and I am not sure of how to prove
this.) but lengthy licence agreements like this don't hold any weight in
a court of law as they are highly unethical. Now - I know that
unethical and illegal and two different things (and this is what makes a
good discussion point), but there was a legal case where a court in the
US ruled that it was unreasonable for the user to be expected to read
such as lengthy agreement and then ruled in the favour of the user.
Someone might have some good links for this?
As for the camera footage - not sure about this one, but it is
certainly unethical.
Cheers,
Adrian
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Hi all,
I am having trouble working out
If The Web Cam activation is actually illegal.
Would the output constitute an employee record
and is agreeing upon logon binding - given the
shifty way it was implemented?
TIA
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Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] DFD question
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Hello,
I am looking at the data dictionary on page 25 of the Thomson SD text
book and there appears to be process listed "Add New Member". I was of
the understanding processes do not get listed in data dictionaries as is
indicated by the 2007 exam Section C Question 2 c. Anyone have any
thoughts?
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Hi Robert,
That was my understanding also, as a data dictionary is META Data and
describes the data only and NOT the processes.
Does add new member refer to the member details (name, address, phone
etc), rather than the actual process of "adding a new member"?
I discussed this with my yr 12 Software class only yesterday.
I would also like some feedback on this.
Jamie Owen
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MacKillop College
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Hello,
I am looking at the data dictionary on page 25 of the Thomson SD text
book and there appears to be process listed "Add New Member". I was of
the understanding processes do not get listed in data dictionaries as is
indicated by the 2007 exam Section C Question 2 c. Anyone have any
thoughts?
Regards,
Rob Mercer
ICT Outreach - Project Officer
Faculty of Information & Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
PO Box 218
Hawthorn VIC 3122 Australia
PH: +61 3 9214 8768
FAX :+61 3 9819 0823
rmercer at swin.edu.au
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:49:02 +1000
From: "Robert Mercer" <rmercer at groupwise.swin.edu.au>
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Hi Jamie,
No it lists its contents as the sub processes it contains such as
"Process Personal Details" then lists where it gets data from and what
information comes out, it is definitely about the processing. Weird.
>>> "Owen, Jamie" <jowen at mackillop.vic.edu.au> 18/09/2008 11:34 am >>>
Hi Robert,
That was my understanding also, as a data dictionary is META Data and
describes the data only and NOT the processes.
Does add new member refer to the member details (name, address, phone
etc), rather than the actual process of "adding a new member"?
I discussed this with my yr 12 Software class only yesterday.
I would also like some feedback on this.
Jamie Owen
ICT Domain Leader
MacKillop College
Russell St, Werribee VIC 3030
Email: jowen at mackillop.vic.edu.au
Phone: (03) 87345248
Fax: (03) 87345261
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Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] DFD question
Hello,
I am looking at the data dictionary on page 25 of the Thomson SD text
book and there appears to be process listed "Add New Member". I was of
the understanding processes do not get listed in data dictionaries as is
indicated by the 2007 exam Section C Question 2 c. Anyone have any
thoughts?
Regards,
Rob Mercer
ICT Outreach - Project Officer
Faculty of Information & Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
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