[Year 12 SofDev] RE: Data Dictionary

Thu Sep 18 12:17:13 EST 2008

Yes I agree.  I told my students to ignore this,
we have entirely enough process models already.

When I studied analysis, we only ever used the data 
dic to specify data.

BTW, why don't we have entity - relation diagrams in
SD?  Seems to make sense in a multi file/table
database.

Russell Quinn

Mailto: qn at boxhillhs.vic.edu.au

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   1. Re: Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice (Timmer-Arends)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:10:33 +1000
From: "Timmer-Arends" <timmer at melbpc.org.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice
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Actually ABC Background Briefing ('cloud computing') last Sunday highlighted a case where Google had to withdraw a complex point in their licence agreement re using Google docs. Underneath a mountain of legal gobbledegook (or should that be googledegook) was a point that basically said that anything you put into a google doc, Google can do what they like with it, without reference to you in any way. Apparently they withdrew the point a day after the launch of google docs because of the outrage that followed, which was not so much about the idea as about the incredibly obscure way that Google phrased it.

Regards
Robert T-A
Brighton SC
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  From: Adrian Janson 
  To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List' 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:33 AM
  Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice

  Hi Russell,

  One of the reasons that I included the bit about the lengthy licence agreement is that it has been shown (and I am not sure of how to prove this.) but lengthy licence agreements like this don't hold any weight in a court of law as they are highly unethical.  Now - I know that unethical and illegal and two different things (and this is what makes a good discussion point), but there was a legal case where a court in the US ruled that it was unreasonable for the user to be expected to read such as lengthy agreement and then ruled in the favour of the user.

  Someone might have some good links for this?

  As for the camera footage - not sure about this one, but it is certainly unethical.

  Cheers,

  Adrian

  Adrian Janson, 

  VITTA President

  Director of ICT, 

  Melbourne High School, 

  Forrest Hill, South Yarra 3141 Australia.

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  E-mail: janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au

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  From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Russell Quinn
  Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:14 AM
  To: sofdev at edulists.com.au
  Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice

  Hi all,

           I am having trouble working out

  If The Web Cam activation is actually illegal.  

  Would the output constitute an employee record

  and is agreeing upon logon binding - given the

  shifty way it was implemented?

  TIA

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:28:42 +1000
From: "Robert Mercer" <rmercer at groupwise.swin.edu.au>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] DFD question
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Hello,

I am looking at the data dictionary on page 25 of the Thomson SD text book and there appears to be process listed "Add New Member". I was of the understanding processes do not get listed in data dictionaries as is indicated by the 2007 exam Section C Question 2 c. Anyone have any thoughts?

Regards,

Rob Mercer
ICT Outreach - Project Officer
Faculty of Information & Communication Technologies
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:34:56 +1000
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Hi Robert,

That was my understanding also, as a data dictionary is META Data and describes the data only and NOT the processes.

Does add new member refer to the member details (name, address, phone etc), rather than the actual process of "adding a new member"?

I discussed this with my yr 12 Software class only yesterday.

I would also like some feedback on this.

Jamie Owen
ICT Domain Leader
MacKillop College
Russell St, Werribee VIC 3030

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Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2008 11:29 AM
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Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] DFD question

Hello,

I am looking at the data dictionary on page 25 of the Thomson SD text book and there appears to be process listed "Add New Member". I was of the understanding processes do not get listed in data dictionaries as is indicated by the 2007 exam Section C Question 2 c. Anyone have any thoughts?

Regards,

Rob Mercer
ICT Outreach - Project Officer
Faculty of Information & Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
PO Box 218
Hawthorn VIC 3122 Australia

PH:  +61 3 9214 8768
FAX :+61 3 9819 0823
rmercer at swin.edu.au

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:49:02 +1000
From: "Robert Mercer" <rmercer at groupwise.swin.edu.au>
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Hi Jamie,

No it lists its contents as the sub processes it contains such as "Process Personal Details" then lists where it gets data from and what information comes out, it is definitely about the processing. Weird.

>>> "Owen, Jamie" <jowen at mackillop.vic.edu.au> 18/09/2008 11:34 am >>>
Hi Robert,

That was my understanding also, as a data dictionary is META Data and describes the data only and NOT the processes.

Does add new member refer to the member details (name, address, phone etc), rather than the actual process of "adding a new member"?

I discussed this with my yr 12 Software class only yesterday.

I would also like some feedback on this.

Jamie Owen
ICT Domain Leader
MacKillop College
Russell St, Werribee VIC 3030

Email: jowen at mackillop.vic.edu.au 
Phone: (03) 87345248
Fax: (03) 87345261
Mail: PO Box 522, Werribee VIC 3030
Website: www.mackillop.vic.edu.au 

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Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2008 11:29 AM
To: sofdev at edulists.com.au 
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] DFD question

Hello,

I am looking at the data dictionary on page 25 of the Thomson SD text book and there appears to be process listed "Add New Member". I was of the understanding processes do not get listed in data dictionaries as is indicated by the 2007 exam Section C Question 2 c. Anyone have any thoughts?

Regards,

Rob Mercer
ICT Outreach - Project Officer
Faculty of Information & Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
PO Box 218
Hawthorn VIC 3122 Australia

PH:  +61 3 9214 8768
FAX :+61 3 9819 0823
rmercer at swin.edu.au 

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