[Year 12 SofDev] Copyright / authorship / solutions / ??
Mark Kelly
kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
Thu Mar 6 12:04:53 EST 2008
Ah - dammit. Sorry, folks. I thought Fatima had emailed me directly
and I was replying only to her.
Please forgive the largeish attachment.
Mark
Mark Kelly wrote:
> Ah - I didn't notice you were chasing SD stuff... I assumed it was ITA.
> I don't know if there are SD QATs. Your best bet is to check the VITTA
> resources. There are SD SACs there.
>
> I will attach the U3 outcomes I used last year, which were approved by
> VCAA during their audit of my material.
>
>
> Fatima Nazar wrote:
>> Hello Mark,
>>
>> I have looked into QATs and even sent them an email (no reply as yet)
>> about SD - I am brand new to SD and would LOVE to even buy some SACs
>> with suggested solutions as I would then know what can be an excellent
>> answer :) so let me know if you have some up your sleeve please
>>
>> Regards
>> Fatima
>> (have 2 SD classes)
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark Kelly
>> Sent: Thu 3/6/2008 8:28 AM
>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Copyright / authorship / solutions / ??
>>
>>
>>
>> Good points there, Adrian. I have a gut feeling that people feel rather
>> more intimidated writing SD outcomes than they do ITA. It's that much
>> more complex.
>>
>> In a similar vein, I've just finished writing a commercial practice SD
>> exam and it took much more thinking than the equivalent ITA exam.
>>
>> Adrian Janson wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a potentially tricky issue - and as one who often posts his SAC
>>> and theory materials to the lists - one that I must confess is a bit of
>>> a concern.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Speaking personally, when I post my materials to the lists - I would
>>> like to think that those who are making use of them do so in the spirit
>>> in which they have been posted - giving credit where it is due and not
>>> altering things with a view to reposting them. I think the part of this
>>> that is the most worrying is that some material did find its way back to
>>> me which I had originally authored and posted to the lists - but with
>>> another teachers name on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It may well just need to be the case that when we post materials to the
>>> lists, we need to state (in the document as well as in the attached
>>> email), that the materials are free to use but may not be adapted or
>>> changed in any way without the permission of the author.... As I put
>>> the
>>> finishing touches on my 2008 SAC1 - I may well do this before I post it
>>> to the list? I would be interested to know what others think of this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On another note - something which has been bothering me a great deal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After the review process took place last year and schools had the SACs
>>> and Assessments checked by VCAA - it became apparent that a large number
>>> of the sampled schools had used my SACs (more than half). Of the
>>> remaining schools, many had used the VITTA SACs. After posting the SACs
>>> to the lists, I had many requests for solutions which I tried to provide
>>> as best I could. I don't mind doing this - however, I think this seems
>>> to suggest that there are few SD teachers creating their own original
>>> materials and/or solutions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now - I don't mind doing the work and posting it for everyone to use. I
>>> think doing this is especially valuable to those starting out with the
>>> SD course or with programming in general. However, if you are familiar
>>> with the SD course - I think that you could be doing your own students a
>>> disservice by not writing your own materials and solutions (and hence
>>> becoming more familiar with the assessment criteria and the structure of
>>> the course). In such a circumstance, I think it would be more
>>> appropriate for you to use my SAC materials (or any others that are
>>> posted) for practice SAC materials and / or inspiration for your own.
>>> There is no way I can prevent teachers from simply using my own (or
>>> others) work as a method of minimising their own workload - however, I
>>> would implore those engaging in this practice to think of the bigger
>>> picture.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Adrian Janson
>>>
>>> VITTA President
>>>
>>> Director of ICT, Melbourne High School
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Poultney,
>>> Gordon A
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 March 2008 12:13 PM
>>> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are talking about a 2 page SAC here, not the latest from Neal
>>> Stephenson...
>>>
>>> Feel free to do what you want with Shagadelic - just don't put my name
>>> on it if you change it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you believe in copyright/credit , then Ross' simple attribution
>>> scheme looks good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> gordon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>>
>>> Gordon Poultney
>>>
>>> Horsham College
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Stephen Digby
>>> *Sent:* Wed 5/3/08 11:31
>>> *To:* 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>
>>> What about a simpler attribution such as
>>>
>>> Freds Carpet House v6 "Based on SAC by Mark Kelly 2007. Alterations by
>>> Stephen Digby 2008, Gordon Poultney 2008"
>>>
>>> Just as the ridiculous copyright laws reduce the likelihood of
>>> attribution
>>> (less likely to get caught for copyright violation if you remove all
>>> info
>>> re. source).
>>>
>>> A overly complex attribution process may reduce the likelihood of
>>> sharing.
>>>
>>> As it is, most resources that I have are not able to be shared
>>> because of
>>> copyright (i.e. they are not mine to share)
>>>
>>> Lets develop a 'creative common' approach to as much materials as
>>> possible....
>>>
>>> ====================================================
>>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
>>> mailto: digby.stephen.p at edumail.vic.gov.au
>>> Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617 Mb: 0431-701-028
>>> ====================================================
>>>
>>> I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. Winston
>>> Churchill
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>> On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 10:15 AM
>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 IT
>>> Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 11 Information Technology
>>> Teachers' Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>
>>> (I've X-posted to the ITA and year 11 IT lists. Apols in advance.)
>>>
>>> I see an interesting and potentially worrying point developing here.
>>>
>>> If we adapt other people's tasks, I think we are obliged to retain the
>>> version information contained in the task and note ourselves as
>>> modifiers
>>> and let that info stay with the document in its further travels.
>>>
>>> I know I would be horrified if a task I created was later 'improved'
>>> by some
>>> anonymous person, thereby damaging it or (even worse) rendering it a
>>> violation of VCAA rules - with my name still proudly stuck on it as if I
>>> were solely responsible for its current condition!
>>>
>>> When we distribute 'adapted' tasks, I recommend that we:
>>>
>>> 1. Of course, retain the original author's identity and document version
>>> number, if they are in the document. Give the poor authors credit
>>> for their
>>> labours!
>>>
>>> 2. Add yourself to the credits as a 'modifier'.
>>>
>>> 3. Maybe even summarise your changes (and reasons?) in an addendum at
>>> the
>>> end of the document. This addendum can be removed for printing
>>> purposes by
>>> people who use it later, but it otherwise travels with the document
>>> as it
>>> morphs through the ether.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Poultney, Gordon A wrote:
>>>> i made up the original 'Shagadelic' which sounds like it has morphed
>>> into something else. There is only 1 network diagram in the original
>>> - for
>>> the new system .there is/was a marking scheme and complete network
>>> diagram
>>> for the teacher too.
>>>> cheers Gordon
>>>>
>>>> ----------------
>>>> Gordon Poultney
>>>> Horsham College
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Maggie Iaquinto
>>>> Sent: Wed 5/3/08 9:14
>>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>>> Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ross
>>>>
>>>> Ross
>>>>
>>>> If you were using this practice SAC as the actual one, it would be
>>>> difficult to separate the marks for Task 1 (systems analysis and
>>>> design
>>>> - mistakenly called Task 2 here) from Task 2 (network diagram). You
>>>> are required to report the marks for the tasks clearly and discretely.
>>>>
>>>> Task 1 is 40 marks and Task 2 is 10 marks -- based on 50 for the
>>>> Outcome.
>>>> In the assessment sheet nearly 25 marks of the 50 are devoted to the
>>>> network diagram. This makes it tough to report accurately to VCAA just
>>>> what your students have received, in terms of the balance of 40/10.
>>>>
>>>> Task 2 (network diagram) must be for the proposed new system and this
>>>> document requires the student to diagram the current and the new.
>>>> Sure, you can do that but it isn't necessary.
>>>>
>>>> I notice also that there are marks given to presentation of the
>>>> report.
>>>> IMHO I would put those marks into a more finely-grained assessment of
>>>> all the other Key Skills required in this Outcome.
>>>>
>>>> Just an opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Maggie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 8:36 AM
>>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>>
>>>> If the task extended across the holidays, make sure the remaining part
>>>> is not given to them beforehand so they can't pre-produce stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Claudia Graham wrote:
>>>>> Hi Ross,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Re the practice SAC not sure who's that is so can't help there
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the use of the internet not something I have done or would
>>>> do,
>>>>> for me it would be too hard to 'patrol'. But as long as all students
>>>>> have the same conditions it doesn't matter (mind you I don't have a
>>>>> study design or assessment hand book beside me to check re
>>>>> conditions)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Same for the time frame, I assume you mean a lesson or two prior to
>>>> the
>>>>> holidays and then some after (or similar), not something I would do
>>>> just
>>>>> for authentication purposes. I would do it all in a few lessons; I
>>>> don't
>>>>> even like weekends between assessment lessons if I can help it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Claudia Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> Overnewton College
>>>>>
>>>>> Keilor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Ogilvie, Ross
>>>>> A
>>>>> *Sent:* 4 March 2008 7:50 PM
>>>>> *To:* sofdev at edulists.com.au
>>>>> *Subject:* Ross from Sunbury College
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In regard to SD I have a couple of questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I have given my class a **Practice SAC** called **Shagadelic
>>>>> Carpets** (refer to attachment) (hope the author is OK with this).
>>>>> My
>>>>> question is....does anyone have the solutions so I can check if I am
>>>> on
>>>>> the right track.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. When I give my students the actual SAC:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i. Can/should they access the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> ii. Would there be a problem (in Vic) if the SAC extended through
>>>> the
>>>>> Term One holiday period into Term Two.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kindest Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **Ross Ogilvie **
>>>>>
>>>>> **LSF ICT Leader **
>>>>>
>>>>> **Sunbury**** College**
>>>>>
>>>>> **30 Racecourse Rd****, Sunbury 3429**
>>>>>
>>>>> **Ph (W) 9744 1066 **
>>>>>
>>>>> ** (H) 54272843**
>>>>>
>>>>> **Bookmarks: http://del.icio.us/Ross1956**
>>>>>
>>>>> **Wiki: http://ross1956.wikispaces.com/**
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Kelly
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Kelly
>>> --
>>> Mark Kelly
>>
>> --
>> Mark Kelly
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>> buy a new bomber.
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