[Year 12 SofDev] RE: sofdev Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12
Adrian Janson
janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
Thu Mar 6 08:49:33 EST 2008
Hi Ross,
That will be fine.
I am very happy for you to use the SAC - as I am happy for everyone to do
so if they wish. I am pleased it can be of some help to you!
Further to my email yesterday - I feel I must add a couple of points. I
said that I felt that those with knowledge of the study should be writing
their own SAC materials - however, I didn't mean to imply ALL THE TIME.
Part of the good thing about these lists is that we can share our work and
lessen our workloads while providing inspiration and ideas for each other to
build on. If you are new to the course or still feeling your way - when you
are ready I am sure that you will write some SAC materials and post them up
for others - but until that time - feel free to make use of the support of
the Edulists community - it is one of the main reasons the Edulists were
created. None of us wants to be writing their own SACs from scratch each
year.
It's just that I feel strongly that one of the best ways to become familiar
with the course is to write your own SAC materials - the ultimate benefit
being that by doing so and posting your materials to the Edulists, the whole
community benefits.
All the best!
Cheers,
Adrian
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From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Ogilvie, Ross A
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 6:23 PM
To: sofdev at edulists.com.au
Subject: RE: sofdev Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12
Dear Adrian,
I appreciate your comments and thank you. I am new to the SD course and have
been wallowing a lot. I am certainly not confident at this stage in writing
my own SAC 1 for SD.
I have given a practice SAC care of Gordon Poultney to my
students....obviously as a practice (hope you don't mind Gordon).
Adrian, I would like to use a modified version of your ex-shuns SAC with
your permission. If I give it to my students.....do you want any acknowledge
in the document? I don't intend to post my amended version on the net.
I also have agreed to a partnership with Braemar College (Andrew Shortell).
Hope this is satisfactory and I am happy for people to ring me on my home
number (below).
Kindest Regards
Ross Ogilvie
LSF ICT Leader
Sunbury College
30 Racecourse Rd, Sunbury 3429
Ph (W) 9744 1066
(H) 54272843
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Wiki: http://ross1956.wikispaces.com/
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From: "Adrian Janson" <janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Copyright / authorship / solutions / ??
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Hi everyone,
This is a potentially tricky issue - and as one who often posts his SAC and
theory materials to the lists - one that I must confess is a bit of a
concern.
Speaking personally, when I post my materials to the lists - I would like to
think that those who are making use of them do so in the spirit in which
they have been posted - giving credit where it is due and not altering
things with a view to reposting them. I think the part of this that is the
most worrying is that some material did find its way back to me which I had
originally authored and posted to the lists - but with another teachers name
on it.
It may well just need to be the case that when we post materials to the
lists, we need to state (in the document as well as in the attached email),
that the materials are free to use but may not be adapted or changed in any
way without the permission of the author.. As I put the finishing touches
on my 2008 SAC1 - I may well do this before I post it to the list? I would
be interested to know what others think of this?
On another note - something which has been bothering me a great deal.
After the review process took place last year and schools had the SACs and
Assessments checked by VCAA - it became apparent that a large number of the
sampled schools had used my SACs (more than half). Of the remaining
schools, many had used the VITTA SACs. After posting the SACs to the lists,
I had many requests for solutions which I tried to provide as best I could.
I don't mind doing this - however, I think this seems to suggest that there
are few SD teachers creating their own original materials and/or solutions.
Now - I don't mind doing the work and posting it for everyone to use. I
think doing this is especially valuable to those starting out with the SD
course or with programming in general. However, if you are familiar with
the SD course - I think that you could be doing your own students a
disservice by not writing your own materials and solutions (and hence
becoming more familiar with the assessment criteria and the structure of the
course). In such a circumstance, I think it would be more appropriate for
you to use my SAC materials (or any others that are posted) for practice SAC
materials and / or inspiration for your own. There is no way I can prevent
teachers from simply using my own (or others) work as a method of minimising
their own workload - however, I would implore those engaging in this
practice to think of the bigger picture.
Cheers,
Adrian Janson
VITTA President
Director of ICT, Melbourne High School
From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Poultney, Gordon A
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 12:13 PM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
We are talking about a 2 page SAC here, not the latest from Neal
Stephenson...
Feel free to do what you want with Shagadelic - just don't put my name on it
if you change it.
If you believe in copyright/credit , then Ross' simple attribution scheme
looks good.
gordon
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Gordon Poultney
Horsham College
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From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Stephen Digby
Sent: Wed 5/3/08 11:31
To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
What about a simpler attribution such as
Freds Carpet House v6 "Based on SAC by Mark Kelly 2007. Alterations by
Stephen Digby 2008, Gordon Poultney 2008"
Just as the ridiculous copyright laws reduce the likelihood of attribution
(less likely to get caught for copyright violation if you remove all info
re. source).
A overly complex attribution process may reduce the likelihood of sharing.
As it is, most resources that I have are not able to be shared because of
copyright (i.e. they are not mine to share)
Lets develop a 'creative common' approach to as much materials as
possible....
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-----Original Message-----
From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 10:15 AM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 11 Information Technology
Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
(I've X-posted to the ITA and year 11 IT lists. Apols in advance.)
I see an interesting and potentially worrying point developing here.
If we adapt other people's tasks, I think we are obliged to retain the
version information contained in the task and note ourselves as modifiers
and let that info stay with the document in its further travels.
I know I would be horrified if a task I created was later 'improved' by some
anonymous person, thereby damaging it or (even worse) rendering it a
violation of VCAA rules - with my name still proudly stuck on it as if I
were solely responsible for its current condition!
When we distribute 'adapted' tasks, I recommend that we:
1. Of course, retain the original author's identity and document version
number, if they are in the document. Give the poor authors credit for their
labours!
2. Add yourself to the credits as a 'modifier'.
3. Maybe even summarise your changes (and reasons?) in an addendum at the
end of the document. This addendum can be removed for printing purposes by
people who use it later, but it otherwise travels with the document as it
morphs through the ether.
Cheers
Mark
Poultney, Gordon A wrote:
> i made up the original 'Shagadelic' which sounds like it has morphed
into something else. There is only 1 network diagram in the original - for
the new system .there is/was a marking scheme and complete network diagram
for the teacher too.
> cheers Gordon
>
> ----------------
> Gordon Poultney
> Horsham College
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Maggie Iaquinto
> Sent: Wed 5/3/08 9:14
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>
>
>
> Ross
>
> Ross
>
> If you were using this practice SAC as the actual one, it would be
> difficult to separate the marks for Task 1 (systems analysis and
> design
> - mistakenly called Task 2 here) from Task 2 (network diagram). You
> are required to report the marks for the tasks clearly and discretely.
>
> Task 1 is 40 marks and Task 2 is 10 marks -- based on 50 for the
> Outcome.
> In the assessment sheet nearly 25 marks of the 50 are devoted to the
> network diagram. This makes it tough to report accurately to VCAA just
> what your students have received, in terms of the balance of 40/10.
>
> Task 2 (network diagram) must be for the proposed new system and this
> document requires the student to diagram the current and the new.
> Sure, you can do that but it isn't necessary.
>
> I notice also that there are marks given to presentation of the report.
> IMHO I would put those marks into a more finely-grained assessment of
> all the other Key Skills required in this Outcome.
>
> Just an opinion.
>
> Maggie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 8:36 AM
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>
> If the task extended across the holidays, make sure the remaining part
> is not given to them beforehand so they can't pre-produce stuff.
>
> Claudia Graham wrote:
>> Hi Ross,
>>
>>
>>
>> Re the practice SAC not sure who's that is so can't help there
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding the use of the internet not something I have done or would
> do,
>> for me it would be too hard to 'patrol'. But as long as all students
>> have the same conditions it doesn't matter (mind you I don't have a
>> study design or assessment hand book beside me to check re
>> conditions)
>>
>>
>>
>> Same for the time frame, I assume you mean a lesson or two prior to
> the
>> holidays and then some after (or similar), not something I would do
> just
>> for authentication purposes. I would do it all in a few lessons; I
> don't
>> even like weekends between assessment lessons if I can help it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Claudia Graham
>>
>> Overnewton College
>>
>> Keilor
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Ogilvie, Ross
>> A
>> *Sent:* 4 March 2008 7:50 PM
>> *To:* sofdev at edulists.com.au
>> *Subject:* Ross from Sunbury College
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> In regard to SD I have a couple of questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. I have given my class a **Practice SAC** called **Shagadelic
>> Carpets** (refer to attachment) (hope the author is OK with this).
>> My
>
>> question is....does anyone have the solutions so I can check if I am
> on
>> the right track.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. When I give my students the actual SAC:
>>
>>
>>
>> i. Can/should they access the internet.
>>
>> ii. Would there be a problem (in Vic) if the SAC extended through
> the
>> Term One holiday period into Term Two.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kindest Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> **Ross Ogilvie **
>>
>> **LSF ICT Leader **
>>
>> **Sunbury**** College**
>>
>> **30 Racecourse Rd****, Sunbury 3429**
>>
>> **Ph (W) 9744 1066 **
>>
>> ** (H) 54272843**
>>
>> **Bookmarks: http://del.icio.us/Ross1956**
>>
>> **Wiki: http://ross1956.wikispaces.com/**
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Algorithms, Netflix, Data mining
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>> http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/magazine/16-03/mf_netflix
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