[Year 12 SofDev] Copyright / authorship / solutions / ??
Mark Kelly
kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
Thu Mar 6 08:28:20 EST 2008
Good points there, Adrian. I have a gut feeling that people feel rather
more intimidated writing SD outcomes than they do ITA. It's that much
more complex.
In a similar vein, I've just finished writing a commercial practice SD
exam and it took much more thinking than the equivalent ITA exam.
Adrian Janson wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> This is a potentially tricky issue – and as one who often posts his SAC
> and theory materials to the lists – one that I must confess is a bit of
> a concern.
>
>
>
> Speaking personally, when I post my materials to the lists – I would
> like to think that those who are making use of them do so in the spirit
> in which they have been posted – giving credit where it is due and not
> altering things with a view to reposting them. I think the part of this
> that is the most worrying is that some material did find its way back to
> me which I had originally authored and posted to the lists – but with
> another teachers name on it.
>
>
>
> It may well just need to be the case that when we post materials to the
> lists, we need to state (in the document as well as in the attached
> email), that the materials are free to use but may not be adapted or
> changed in any way without the permission of the author…. As I put the
> finishing touches on my 2008 SAC1 – I may well do this before I post it
> to the list? I would be interested to know what others think of this?
>
>
>
> On another note – something which has been bothering me a great deal.
>
>
>
> After the review process took place last year and schools had the SACs
> and Assessments checked by VCAA – it became apparent that a large number
> of the sampled schools had used my SACs (more than half). Of the
> remaining schools, many had used the VITTA SACs. After posting the SACs
> to the lists, I had many requests for solutions which I tried to provide
> as best I could. I don’t mind doing this – however, I think this seems
> to suggest that there are few SD teachers creating their own original
> materials and/or solutions.
>
>
>
> Now – I don’t mind doing the work and posting it for everyone to use. I
> think doing this is especially valuable to those starting out with the
> SD course or with programming in general. However, if you are familiar
> with the SD course – I think that you could be doing your own students a
> disservice by not writing your own materials and solutions (and hence
> becoming more familiar with the assessment criteria and the structure of
> the course). In such a circumstance, I think it would be more
> appropriate for you to use my SAC materials (or any others that are
> posted) for practice SAC materials and / or inspiration for your own.
> There is no way I can prevent teachers from simply using my own (or
> others) work as a method of minimising their own workload – however, I
> would implore those engaging in this practice to think of the bigger
> picture.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adrian Janson
>
> VITTA President
>
> Director of ICT, Melbourne High School
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Poultney, Gordon A
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 March 2008 12:13 PM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>
>
>
> We are talking about a 2 page SAC here, not the latest from Neal
> Stephenson...
>
> Feel free to do what you want with Shagadelic - just don't put my name
> on it if you change it.
>
>
>
> If you believe in copyright/credit , then Ross' simple attribution
> scheme looks good.
>
>
>
> gordon
>
>
>
> ----------------
>
> Gordon Poultney
>
> Horsham College
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Stephen Digby
> *Sent:* Wed 5/3/08 11:31
> *To:* 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>
> What about a simpler attribution such as
>
> Freds Carpet House v6 "Based on SAC by Mark Kelly 2007. Alterations by
> Stephen Digby 2008, Gordon Poultney 2008"
>
> Just as the ridiculous copyright laws reduce the likelihood of attribution
> (less likely to get caught for copyright violation if you remove all info
> re. source).
>
> A overly complex attribution process may reduce the likelihood of sharing.
>
> As it is, most resources that I have are not able to be shared because of
> copyright (i.e. they are not mine to share)
>
> Lets develop a 'creative common' approach to as much materials as
> possible....
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 10:15 AM
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 IT
> Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 11 Information Technology
> Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>
> (I've X-posted to the ITA and year 11 IT lists. Apols in advance.)
>
> I see an interesting and potentially worrying point developing here.
>
> If we adapt other people's tasks, I think we are obliged to retain the
> version information contained in the task and note ourselves as modifiers
> and let that info stay with the document in its further travels.
>
> I know I would be horrified if a task I created was later 'improved' by some
> anonymous person, thereby damaging it or (even worse) rendering it a
> violation of VCAA rules - with my name still proudly stuck on it as if I
> were solely responsible for its current condition!
>
> When we distribute 'adapted' tasks, I recommend that we:
>
> 1. Of course, retain the original author's identity and document version
> number, if they are in the document. Give the poor authors credit for their
> labours!
>
> 2. Add yourself to the credits as a 'modifier'.
>
> 3. Maybe even summarise your changes (and reasons?) in an addendum at the
> end of the document. This addendum can be removed for printing purposes by
> people who use it later, but it otherwise travels with the document as it
> morphs through the ether.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
> Poultney, Gordon A wrote:
>> i made up the original 'Shagadelic' which sounds like it has morphed
> into something else. There is only 1 network diagram in the original - for
> the new system .there is/was a marking scheme and complete network diagram
> for the teacher too.
>> cheers Gordon
>>
>> ----------------
>> Gordon Poultney
>> Horsham College
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Maggie Iaquinto
>> Sent: Wed 5/3/08 9:14
>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>
>>
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> If you were using this practice SAC as the actual one, it would be
>> difficult to separate the marks for Task 1 (systems analysis and
>> design
>> - mistakenly called Task 2 here) from Task 2 (network diagram). You
>> are required to report the marks for the tasks clearly and discretely.
>>
>> Task 1 is 40 marks and Task 2 is 10 marks -- based on 50 for the
>> Outcome.
>> In the assessment sheet nearly 25 marks of the 50 are devoted to the
>> network diagram. This makes it tough to report accurately to VCAA just
>> what your students have received, in terms of the balance of 40/10.
>>
>> Task 2 (network diagram) must be for the proposed new system and this
>> document requires the student to diagram the current and the new.
>> Sure, you can do that but it isn't necessary.
>>
>> I notice also that there are marks given to presentation of the report.
>> IMHO I would put those marks into a more finely-grained assessment of
>> all the other Key Skills required in this Outcome.
>>
>> Just an opinion.
>>
>> Maggie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 8:36 AM
>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>
>> If the task extended across the holidays, make sure the remaining part
>> is not given to them beforehand so they can't pre-produce stuff.
>>
>> Claudia Graham wrote:
>> > Hi Ross,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Re the practice SAC not sure who's that is so can't help there
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regarding the use of the internet not something I have done or would
>> do,
>> > for me it would be too hard to 'patrol'. But as long as all students
>> > have the same conditions it doesn't matter (mind you I don't have a
>> > study design or assessment hand book beside me to check re
>> > conditions)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Same for the time frame, I assume you mean a lesson or two prior to
>> the
>> > holidays and then some after (or similar), not something I would do
>> just
>> > for authentication purposes. I would do it all in a few lessons; I
>> don't
>> > even like weekends between assessment lessons if I can help it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Claudia Graham
>> >
>> > Overnewton College
>> >
>> > Keilor
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> > *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>> > [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Ogilvie, Ross
>> > A
>> > *Sent:* 4 March 2008 7:50 PM
>> > *To:* sofdev at edulists.com.au
>> > *Subject:* Ross from Sunbury College
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In regard to SD I have a couple of questions.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. I have given my class a **Practice SAC** called **Shagadelic
>> > Carpets** (refer to attachment) (hope the author is OK with this).
>> > My
>>
>> > question is....does anyone have the solutions so I can check if I am
>> on
>> > the right track.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2. When I give my students the actual SAC:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > i. Can/should they access the internet.
>> >
>> > ii. Would there be a problem (in Vic) if the SAC extended through
>> the
>> > Term One holiday period into Term Two.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Kindest Regards
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > **Ross Ogilvie **
>> >
>> > **LSF ICT Leader **
>> >
>> > **Sunbury**** College**
>> >
>> > **30 Racecourse Rd****, Sunbury 3429**
>> >
>> > **Ph (W) 9744 1066 **
>> >
>> > ** (H) 54272843**
>> >
>> > **Bookmarks: http://del.icio.us/Ross1956**
>> >
>> > **Wiki: http://ross1956.wikispaces.com/**
>> > --
>> > Mark Kelly
>>
>> --
>> Mark Kelly
>
> --
> Mark Kelly
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