[Year 12 SofDev] SD Exam - Question C1c and AQ2

Sat Nov 17 00:17:44 EST 2007

Many thanks, Mister Special K

I have relied more than enough on your own good counsel and wisdom since 
embarking on the seas of software development, so my thanks are to you.

I'm escaping dumb reporting questions at school by going to the VITTA 
retreat at the race course.  Dog bless VITTA for the excuse for the escape.

I've *nearly* started thinking about my 2 presentations at the 
conference.  Maybe tomorrow...  I have this ridiculous faith in the 
graces that tomorrow may bestow on me. It's the only reason I've 
survived until now  :-)

And I have just got a Shintaro 16 Gigabyte USB flash RAM drive. Yes, 
this is irrelevant but I had to boast to someone.

I think back a few years and think... about 12,000 floppy disks in a 
pile, compared to a device that I could easily lose in my pocket.

Luckily there is still the opportunity to be amazed in these strange, 
amazing days.

In a Late Friday Night Mood  :-)

Mark

Kevork Krozian wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I thought you were going to have a day or two off !
> 
> Three cheers for Mark , hip hip, hip hip, hip hip.
> 
> We are all in your debt Mark
> 
> With thanks on behalf of all your grateful colleagues
> 
> Kevork Krozian
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
> To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List" 
> <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SD Exam - Question C1c and AQ2
> 
> 
>> Close enough...
>>
>> http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au/vceit/postmortems/2007ita/index.htm
>>
>> Kevin Feely wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> Thanks - i concede - oh and BTW could anyone post, fax, scan-email me 
>>> a copy of the Applications exam?
>>> kev
>>>
>>>
>>> Selina Dennis wrote:
>>>> I have to disagree with WikiPedia. While I can see the concept of
>>>> "implementation" could contain all of the development, testing and
>>>> deployment, and hence mean "implementation of the entire design", in 
>>>> most
>>>> software development projects/life cycles, the implementation 
>>>> process occurs
>>>> after testing - hence, is synonymous with deployment. However, I do 
>>>> concede
>>>> the point that the question was slightly ambiguous, and some 
>>>> students could
>>>> have read coding as 'implementation'.
>>>>
>>>> If you go by the SoftDev study design, the SDLC is ADDTDIE. Hence, 
>>>> students
>>>> would need to separate implementation from development and place it 
>>>> in a
>>>> position that relates to 'deployment'. As "coding" isn't part of the
>>>> acronym, students would be incorrect in selecting C as the "best" 
>>>> answer.
>>>> That's not to say it's not a valid answer, but it's not the best 
>>>> according
>>>> to the glossary they are (unfortunately) meant to know by rote.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Selina Dennis
>>>> Strathmore Secondary College
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au 
>>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>>> On Behalf Of Kevin Feely
>>>> Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 1:32 PM
>>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SD Exam - Question C1c and AQ2
>>>>
>>>> Hi Selina,
>>>>
>>>> Implementation (or coding) </wiki/Implementation>     Reducing a 
>>>> design to code may be the most obvious part of the
>>>>     software engineering job, but it is not necessarily the largest
>>>>     portion.
>>>> taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_process
>>>> regards
>>>> kev
>>>>
>>>> Selina Dennis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Implementing is releasing completed code for use - ie: deployment. 
>>>>> Coding
>>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>> development.
>>>>>
>>>>> Selina Dennis
>>>>> Strathmore Secondary College
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>>>
>>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>>>
>>>>> On Behalf Of Kevin Feely
>>>>> Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 9:38 AM
>>>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SD Exam - Question C1c and AQ2
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi mark
>>>>> Yep, happy with that, but during the year have let my kids "define" 
>>>>> the system so they  decide what is inside and outside, but 
>>>>> generally i have set rules that what belongs inside must be 
>>>>> "processors" - they have a role to play in taking input and doing 
>>>>> something with it. A secretary "files" reports or the workshop 
>>>>> manager "calculates" hours worked etc. Rodneys Real Estate - a 
>>>>> question on DFD's in a reference book is a classic where you can 
>>>>> get quite a few different results - but all justifiably correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also i have a query on AQ2 program development life cycle - i 
>>>>> assume B is correct, while D and A can quickly be eliminated - no 
>>>>> operating or solving in key cycle terms. BUT i also regard coding 
>>>>> and implementing as interchangeable terms ( a view backed up with a 
>>>>> quick google) so then C also fits.
>>>>> It would be hard to argue it is WRONG I think
>>>>>
>>>>> kev
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Kelly wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been independently informed by a reliable source that:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'They provide data to the 'system' rather then process the data so 
>>>>>> they would be considered entities rather the part of the system.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, bounce on my ballpoint and call me Renaldo.  I've never 
>>>>>> heard of that condition before.  DFDs seem to be an ever-deepening 
>>>>>> well of intrigue!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how many students will get that one right. Bother! I must 
>>>>>> have missed a memo somewhere...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, <Mystery advisor>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark

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