[Year 12 SofDev] RE:U3O2 Language
Ross Taylor
taylor.ross.j at edumail.vic.gov.au
Tue Feb 13 12:39:40 EST 2007
Mark
I am using Python as my programming language - I find that the kids get to
grips with it fairly quickly, and like the Tkinter GUI by seeing immediate
results. It has "fairly" simple syntax although it can be a touch grumpy
with spaces, colons etc. The IDE is fairly use friendly and of course the
kids can install and use it at home. I have posted some turorials on the
EduLists site - I'd like to see the resources you are using to teach -
always looking to make Python more interesting! Going by the VITTA CD - I'm
understanding that the module should be something that is useful on a
mobile computing device (eg - payroll, stocktaking) - I completely agree
with you about programming a student's motorola, though!
Cheers
Ross Taylor
Learning Technologies Coordinator
Parkdale Secondary College
Warren Road
Mordialloc
Vic 3195
Work - 03 9580 6311
Fax - 03 9587 3142
Mob - 0422 171337
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Time Allowance for ICT coord. (Fiona Mackenzie)
2. Re: Time Allowance for ICT coord. (Mark Kelly)
3. Pondering SD U3O2 (Mark Kelly)
4. Implementation (Mark Kelly)
5. RE: Pondering SD U3O2 (David Dawson)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:28:33 +1100
From: "Fiona Mackenzie" <fionamc at leonsec.vic.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Time Allowance for ICT coord.
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Hi Yildran,
We are a similar sized school and we have 2 positions - ICT Curriculum and
IT Infrastructure. Each role has a 3 session allocation a week.
Curriculum is in charge of the new VELS report writing software, staff
training in use of ICT, maintaining our online WebCT learning.
Infrastructure takes care of the student/staff accounts, laptop program,
keeping an eye on maintenance of equipment, maintaining the school website
etc. It is a great way of killing your IT people more slowly.
regards,
Fionamc
>>> "Yildiran Hilmi" <hilmi.yildiran.h at edumail.vic.gov.au> 02/12/07
11:49 AM >>>
Hi everyone,
I would like to know how much allowance (non-teaching periods) other ICT
coordinators get in other schools. In some schools the job is too big for
one person, so it has been split up between two or three people. If that's
the case, what are the general responsibilities and time allowances? We have
700 students and single campus.
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:36:32 +1100
From: Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Time Allowance for ICT coord.
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You poor thing!
Lynda de Silva wrote:
> Hi Yildiran,
>
> I am the only Commerce coordinator (which include ICT, Business
> Management, Accounting, Legal Studies, Vocational Education, etc) in
> school and I only have 2 periods allowance per week in a single campus
> population of abt 1300 students.
>
> Best regards,
> Lynda de Silva
>
> --- Yildiran Hilmi
> <hilmi.yildiran.h at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> I would like to know how much allowance (non-teaching periods) other
>> ICT coordinators get in other schools. In some schools the job is too
>> big for one person, so it has been split up between two or three
>> people. If that's the case, what are the general responsibilities and
>> time allowances? We have 700 students and single campus.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:46:07 +1100
From: Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Pondering SD U3O2
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Hi all. Have spent a quiet time with the study design...
Can someone suggest why U3O2 would specify a software module for a
*portable* computing device. It seems oddly esoteric and specialised for a
student's very first programming task.
I wouldn't be game to program for my Palm OS, or for a Nokia phone.
One would have thought a module for a traditional computing system would be
more logical. (Yes, I do realise a laptop is both portable and traditional
so kids can easily write a module for a "normal" PC :-)
Just wonderin' what VCAA's motives might have been.
And while I'm here, I'm curious what languages people have chosen. My
fallback is VB, but I am toying with Python as an alternative - and trying
to get used to its odd punctuation and lack of endings to loops and IF
constructs.
--
Mark Kelly
Manager - Information Systems
McKinnon Secondary College
McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia Direct line / Voicemail: 8520
9085 School Phone +613 8520 9000 School Fax +613 95789253
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:54:26 +1100
From: Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Implementation
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Howdy.
The study design refers to the SDLC's implementation phase as "including
user documentation, designing and conducting training programs, preparation
of disaster recovery plans and the changeover to new systems"
I always have put documentation writing in the development phase (if using
the 5-phase SDLC model which lacks the 7-phase model's documentation phase).
And designing training surely should happen much earlier - in the design
phase, as its name implies - along with preparing a DDRP.
While I'm on the subject, I find it a tad confusing that the VCAA has
dictated a 5-stage SDLC and a separate 7-stage "software development"
cycle which is identical to the 7-stage SDLC.
One would have thought that the 7-stage SDLC (ADDTDIE) would have adequately
catered for both needs.
Mark
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:55:33 +1100
From: "David Dawson" <dgdawson at mgs.vic.edu.au>
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Pondering SD U3O2
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My interpretation is that any small web-based application that can be
displayed in a mobile phone or PDA accessing the internet would be
acceptable.
If anyone thinks this is not ok - then please let us know asap.
We will be using PHP mostly.
David Dawson
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Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Pondering SD U3O2
Hi all. Have spent a quiet time with the study design...
Can someone suggest why U3O2 would specify a software module for a
*portable* computing device. It seems oddly esoteric and specialised for a
student's very first programming task.
I wouldn't be game to program for my Palm OS, or for a Nokia phone.
One would have thought a module for a traditional computing system would be
more logical. (Yes, I do realise a laptop is both portable and traditional
so kids can easily write a module for a "normal" PC :-)
Just wonderin' what VCAA's motives might have been.
And while I'm here, I'm curious what languages people have chosen. My
fallback is VB, but I am toying with Python as an alternative - and trying
to get used to its odd punctuation and lack of endings to loops and IF
constructs.
--
Mark Kelly
Manager - Information Systems
McKinnon Secondary College
McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia Direct line / Voicemail: 8520
9085 School Phone +613 8520 9000 School Fax +613 95789253
Webmaster - http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au IT Lecture notes:
http://vceit.com
Moderator: IPM Mailing List
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those who don't.
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