[Reporting] Fwd: VELS and semester reporting - please advise

[Stephen Digby]

I don't think it is THAT non-sensical....
 
Assuming that you have trusted measurement instruments that can distinguish fine changes in student
performance from semester to semester related to objective standards...... THEN a student that reaches a
standard 6 months "late" or "early" is above or below expected.  
The problem lies not in theory, but in the practice....
 
We don't have and are not likely to be given ANY trusted measurement instruments - we are expected to BE the
measurement instruments - entirely objective and consistent across the state .... HO HO
 
We don't have and are unlikely to be given any objective standards... the vague eduspeak of the "standards"
allows a truck to be driven through it.  ICT is one of the most tortuous and vacuous.
 
Therefore, what we will get will be a huge deluge of normative GIGO (Garbage In garbage OUT) as teachers
choose the safety of the doubly wide C ground over the need to defend an B or a D without any real objective
armour.
 
 
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From: reporting-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:reporting-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Lesley
Humphries
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 10:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [Reporting] Fwd: VELS and semester reporting - please advise


Hi Kevork,

Re Progression Points & semester subjects

When we thought we had to do ICT progression points (we have recently found out that Catholic schools don't
until next year - phew...) we had set up our marking schemes so that the percentage mark that led to to
progression point in Sem 1 had to be different for Sem 2 to make them the same. Because you're right - you are
teaching the same stuff, so why should a kid doing it in Semester 2 get a lower progression point than a kid
who did exactly the same work in Semester 1? Just because they're possibly six months older?

It's really nonsensical, but it was the only way we could make it work for us. We just keep hoping all this
silly A-E reporting stuff will soon disappear...

> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I hate to do this, but I haven't heard from the reporting list so I am
> cross posting this for your advice please.
> 
> 
> >>> Kevork! Krozian 6/06/2007 10:29 am >>>
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Consider this dilemma ,
> 
> Students do a compulsory elective of ICT in 1 semester of Year 9 ( or
> Yr 10 for that matter ). All students will do this elective, either in
> Sem 1 or Sem 2. It is the same work for both semesters. Student X does
> Sem 1, student Y does Sem 2. They are twins.
> 
> Both attain a progression point of 5.5 . However, student X gets a
> grade of B and student Y gets a grade of C for the same work. So , how
> do we explain this to parents ? They are both achieving the same , yet
> score different grades by the randomness of elective selection and
> different stages ( or ages ) of assessment .
> 
> How do we reconcile this ?
> 
> Look forward to your replies
> 
> 
> 
> Kevork Krozian
> IT Manager , Forest Hill College
> k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au 
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