[Year 12 IT Apps] SACS and BYOD

Wed Mar 18 09:12:08 EST 2015

I agree that this is much more likely.

> From: asullivan at tps.vic.edu.au
> To: itapps at edulists.com.au
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 21:21:21 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] SACS and BYOD
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> Yes it is unlikely that every student in a class getting 100%, regardless of the conditions of the task
> 
> I was just illustrating an extreme
> 
> But if you are getting 'groups of students' on the same mark for a task, e.g. 5 students all getting 42/50, you are not discriminating between those students in terms of ability
> 
> This could mean that all those students are of exact equal ability, or, it could mean that the task did not allow the stronger students in each 'group' to show they were stronger
> 
> Anthony
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> Anthony Sullivan
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> From: Heike Demarteau <heike_23 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] SACS and BYOD
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> I doubt every student would get 100% whichever method you use.
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> > From: asullivan at tps.vic.edu.au
> > To: itapps at edulists.com.au
> > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 01:44:00 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] SACS and BYOD
> >
> > My two cents worth
> >
> > Having SAC's that run over multi periods is pretty unique to VCE IT
> >
> > The way you run and manage your VCE IT SAC's is really up to you
> >
> > Every school probably has a different approach
> >
> > Some schools allow notes, textbooks, network and internet access.
> > Others run their SAC's a lot more like a test or an exam with no notes
> > or assistance
> >
> > Remember the purpose of an assessment task is discriminate between
> > your top student down to your bottom (for lack of a better word)
> > student . In other words, rank your students in order of their
> > understanding of the content for each outcome
> >
> > If you give a task that allows this discrimination or ranking to occur
> > (with notes and network and internet access) then that is no problem
> >
> > But if you allow notes, etc. and every students gets 100% then it
> > defeats the purpose of assessment task. You are not really identifying
> > the order of ability in your class
> >
> > My approach and BYOD devices
> >
> > Students here use their own personal laptop for SAC's.
> >
> > I have network access turned off for these periods and collect the
> > files from each student on USB at the end of the lesson
> >
> > I'm happy for them during a SAC (and I cannot really stop them) from
> > accessing the files on their laptop of the practice tasks we completed
> > leading up to the SAC
> >
> > I tell students this before the SAC to encourage them to complete all
> > the practice tasks
> >
> > But as mentioned earlier this is my method that works for me and each
> > school needs a method that works for them
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> >
> >
> > Anthony Sullivan
> > Head of Information Technology | Commerce Faculty
> > 20 Wooralla Drive, Mt. Eliza, Vic, 3930
> > T: 03 9788 7796| F: 03 9787 7646 |asullivan at tps.vic.edu.au |
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> >    1. SACS and BYOD (Lorraine Bignell)
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> > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:33:57 +1100
> > From: "Lorraine Bignell" <lbignell at netspace.net.au>
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> > Hi All
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> > I was wondering how people cope with SACs and BYOD. Do you allow students to have access to the internet (and all that that entails) during SACs?
> >
> > Lorraine Bignell
> > Kingswood College
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> > From: Natalie H <natinga71 at yahoo.com>
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> > I was wondering the same thing, but from the perspective of work authentication - what's to stop them working on tasks (or getting help from others) outside of class?
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> > Natalie Heath (Marcellin College)
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> > > On 24 Feb 2015, at 9:33 pm, Lorraine Bignell <lbignell at netspace.net.au> wrote:
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> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > I was wondering how people cope with SACs and BYOD. Do you allow students to have access to the internet (and all that that entails) during SACs?
> > >
> > > Lorraine Bignell
> > > Kingswood College
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> > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:04:17 +1100
> > From: Mark <mark at vceit.com>
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> > Hi Lorraine. I didn't limit kids' access to resources during practical SACS, but tests were always done with pen and paper - for exam practice - so using the internet was never an issue then either.
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015, Lorraine Bignell
> > <lbignell at netspace.net.au>
> > wrote:
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> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > I was wondering how people cope with SACs and BYOD. Do you allow
> > > students to have access to the internet (and all that that entails) during SACs?
> > >
> > > Lorraine Bignell
> > > Kingswood College
> > >
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> > From: "David B. Thomas" <david.b.thomas at rmit.edu.au>
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> > Hi,
> > I was wondering the same thing when I asked the question about what papers they can take into the SAC a couple of days ago.
> >
> > I now think that the answer is to let them use the internet. I doubt if they have time in the SAC to read up on how to analyse, design and develop a web site. By the time it comes to the SAC if they don't know the process by then it may be too late for them.
> >
> > I have decided to ask them to submit an analysis document at the end of SAC lesson 1, a design document at the end of SAC lesson 2 and a web site at the end of SAC lesson 4. If they want to talk to their friends about how to do something in dreamweaver that is a good thing.
> >
> > The students already know what the SAC is anyway it is published in the text book. It is only the brief that changes.
> >
> > On 24 February 2015 at 22:08, Natalie H <natinga71 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I was wondering the same thing, but from the perspective of work
> > > authentication - what's to stop them working on tasks (or getting
> > > help from
> > > others) outside of class?
> > >
> > > Natalie Heath (Marcellin College)
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On 24 Feb 2015, at 9:33 pm, Lorraine Bignell
> > > > <lbignell at netspace.net.au>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering how people cope with SACs and BYOD. Do you allow
> > > students to have access to the internet (and all that that entails)
> > > during SACs?
> > > >
> > > > Lorraine Bignell
> > > > Kingswood College
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> From: Mark <mark at vceit.com>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] SACS and BYOD
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> On 17 March 2015 at 16:10, Heike Demarteau <heike_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > I doubt *every* student would get 100% whichever method you use.
> >
> >
> Hi, Heike
> 
> Yes. It would (probably) be impossible for everyone in a class to get an end-of-year VCAA score of 100%.
> 
> It *would, *however be possible (but certainly undesirable) for every student in a class to get 100% on an outcome if the task were so simple and basic that *everyone* could get full marks and you could not tell the best student from the worst.
> 
> Imagine a final-year medicine exam that only required the best and weakest students to successfully apply a Band-aid to get 100%.
> 
> I'm sure that if all members of a class *did* ever get full marks on an outcome, VCAA would be very *very* keen to audit that teacher's task and assessment criteria - unless perhaps the class had only a few students.
> 
> In any case, as I understand it, if horrible indiscriminate outcomes were used, VCAA's statistical workings would rapidly discount the value of the outcomes' marks and use the November exam to sort the kids out into a realistic order. When in doubt, the exam mark always wins.
> 
> My 2.18 cents worth (adjusted to current exchange rates and wind speed)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Mark
> 
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> > > From: asullivan at tps.vic.edu.au
> > > To: itapps at edulists.com.au
> > > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 01:44:00 +0000
> > > Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] SACS and BYOD
> > >
> > > My two cents worth
> > >
> > > Having SAC's that run over multi periods is pretty unique to VCE IT
> > >
> > > The way you run and manage your VCE IT SAC's is really up to you
> > >
> > > Every school probably has a different approach
> > >
> > > Some schools allow notes, textbooks, network and internet access.
> > > Others
> > run their SAC's a lot more like a test or an exam with no notes or
> > assistance
> > >
> > > Remember the purpose of an assessment task is discriminate between
> > > your
> > top student down to your bottom (for lack of a better word) student .
> > In other words, rank your students in order of their understanding of
> > the content for each outcome
> > >
> > > If you give a task that allows this discrimination or ranking to
> > > occur
> > (with notes and network and internet access) then that is no problem
> > >
> > > But if you allow notes, etc. and every students gets 100% then it
> > defeats the purpose of assessment task. You are not really identifying
> > the order of ability in your class
> > >
> > > My approach and BYOD devices
> > >
> > > Students here use their own personal laptop for SAC's.
> > >
> > > I have network access turned off for these periods and collect the
> > > files
> > from each student on USB at the end of the lesson
> > >
> > > I'm happy for them during a SAC (and I cannot really stop them) from
> > accessing the files on their laptop of the practice tasks we completed
> > leading up to the SAC
> > >
> > > I tell students this before the SAC to encourage them to complete
> > > all
> > the practice tasks
> > >
> > > But as mentioned earlier this is my method that works for me and
> > > each
> > school needs a method that works for them
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anthony Sullivan
> > > Head of Information Technology | Commerce Faculty
> > > 20 Wooralla Drive, Mt. Eliza, Vic, 3930
> > > T: 03 9788 7796| F: 03 9787 7646 |asullivan at tps.vic.edu.au |
> > www.tps.vic.edu.au
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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