[Year 12 IT Apps] itapps Digest, Vol 123, Issue 51
Russell, Steven S
russell.steven.s at edumail.vic.gov.au
Mon Jun 1 11:32:21 AEST 2015
Hi Sandra, I have been using Game maker with my year 9s as well. I decided to place a coding exercise in the program as their last task. I then have moved them on to Small basic. I found it has worked really well and they really enjoyed it.
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I have been using GameMaker and Alice at year 9. Alice is a new addition as GameMaker seemed to attract students who were there to play games and no interest in learning about programming.
I was thinking of changing to doing the Hour of Code, then going on to Scratch and then Alice at Year 9. I am still investigating as I haven't used Scratch but it looked like a good step between Hour of code and Alice.
I would love to hear if anyone has tried Scratch with year 9s.
Regards
Sandra Mobbs
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Re: A research question...
I am the only "IT" teacher trained in my school also, teaching an allotment of Year 9 IT, Year 10 IT, 2x Year 11 UT and IT Applications. I have built the curriculum from the ground up in both Year 9 and Year 10 - offering what i believe to be engaging and fun elements of IT. This is the first year i've had side by side year 11 classes which is fantastic for looking towards the future for numbers in Year 12 (5th year teaching, 4th year of VCE IT).
My Year 9 consists of Animating in Flash, Game Development in Gamemaker and a theory unit titled Computers & Society which has a strong focus on how technology is used and how it changes our lives. This unit also has as strong focus in video games and their impact on adolescents.
Year 10 is Webdesign and Development, using HTML/CSS/Dreamweaver/Photoshop, and Networking(which is just theory /yawn). For next year i'm looking at modifying my curriculum in both year levels, replacing Gamemaker in Year
9 and Networks in Year 10.
What are other IT teachers out there teaching at these levels that is fun and engaging for students? I've looked at Unity as a possible replacement for networks in Year 10 but not sure at this stage. I don't want their to be much of an overlap with the Year 11 study design as a lot of my year 11 students are finding doing networks again a bit dry and it makes it tough to teach some of them. 9 and 10 are also just semester long subjects so they are restricted by time.
Cheers
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> Hi,
>
> "sexy": Psychology, Outdoor Ed, HHD, VET Nah, not necessarily sexier -
> though there is a better spread of genders.
>
> But: perceived easier. Absolutely. Add Legal Studies and PE to the list.
>
> Information Technology is perceived to be harder, because it involves
> the computational thinking Abbott believes we don't need.
>
> There is a huge need for schools to at least have quality and trained
> IT teachers for junior and senior year levels, and also to offer not
> just Apps/Informatics, but Software Development as well.
>
> The problem is that school timetables are cramped, and generally the
> HHD and PE element on the school organisation (lots of coordinators,
> managers and curriculum developers are from the PE faculty at least in
> my school) ensures that the squeeze is on and therefore IT is removed
> and teachers can "integrate it into subjects" - a process that is not
> always audited and therefore not at the quality expected by senior IT
> teachers. It's a lot easier to not offer Information Technology at
> junior levels (7 and 8) and to offer lipservice training at middle years.
>
> In Year 9 and 10 lots of students are disengaged with the entire
> learning process, so it remains key for us as IT teaching
> professionals to ensure that the content is delivered in a quality
> manner, by people who are trained and capable. If we deliver great
> electives at Y9 and Y10, we can offer pathways to Informatics and Software Development in the future.
>
> I'm the only IT teacher at my school, teaching Year 10, Year 11 x 2 and
> Year 12 Apps x2. I don't have any more timetable space to get into the
> Year 9 and 10 "Multimedia/IT" subjects to improve the content, let
> alone ensure computational thinking is integrated into Year 7 and 8 by
> teachers who think showing a Youtube clip at the start of a class is integrating IT.
>
> The only solution I see is to create brilliant and fully documented
> subjects for Year 9 and 10 (e.g. Game Design, Web Design, App
> Development), get them massively oversubscribed and create the pathway to Year 10-12.
> Big oversubscription should lead to another qualified IT teaching
> graduate being hired and we can work as a team.
>
> >From little things, big things grow.
>
> And on Donnelly/Wilkshire, if this is seriously where they are at in
> relation to ICT general capability vs the Digital Technologies
> subject, then I ask for Abbott to please call an early election. Now.
>
> </rant>
>
> Lucas
>
>
> From: "Lewis, Jane L" <lewis.jane.l at edumail.vic.gov.au>
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> Hello,
>
> A fellow lurker, but keen observer. I have taught IT in various forms
> since the days of typing and information processing. What I have
> noticed is that the growth of ?sexy? subjects like Psychology, Outdoor
> Ed, Health & Human Development, VET etc has taken away many who would
> traditionally choose this subject. The junior IT subjects offered in
> schools is usually an allotment filler (if offered anymore) and thus
> people who are uninterested and unqualified have allowed the subject
> to decline into Kahootz worlds. The interest in wanting to learn how
> to use applications has waned and the general skill level (if my
> students are any indication) has declined so much that if a subject
> appears difficult (to the slacker crowd), it will not be selected. The
> boys who do choose it love devices and their games (playing them, of
> course) but have little to no inclination in learning the features and fundamentals of applications.
>
> The problem is exacerbated by students coming in with only ipad
> experience, a significant
> candy-crush/phone/Facebook/YouTube/Instagram/Snapchat/overnight gaming
> session/?next new game? addiction. Any subject would have difficulties
> attracting students with such high expectations of life! The IT of
> 1990-2000 was new and different and thus it was easier to attract students.
> Engaging students many years ago was much easier because high schools
> had computers ? this differentiated us from Primary and home.
>
> Jane
>
>
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> To: itapps at edulists.com.au; sofdev at edulists.com.au
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] A research question...
>
> Hello,
>
> I am a pre-service IT teacher and long-time lurker. I am working on an
> assessment investigating issues and debates around the implementation
> of the (proposed) Digital Technologies curriculum and the implications
> for schools and teachers. In the Donnely and Whiltsire review, they
> propose that IT remain a general capability and the standalone subject
> be scrapped or made optional. One of the arguments is there are not
> enough suitably qualified teachers and that it can be taught across
> the disciplines. They obviously miss the point that ITC != computational thinking.
>
> I am curious to hear what practicing IT teachers think about this
> assertion. I went to a school tour on Friday and was surprised to
> learn they didn't offer IT as a subject at all, not even in VCE. No
> electives in Year 9. Nothing. I had a look at the overall statistics
> for VCE IT apps and VCE Software Development and saw enrolments are
> significantly down from their 2000?2001 peak. During the online PD for
> the new VCE subjects, Paula Christophersen mentioned they have
> increased this year by 10%, but it still seems quite low given the
> ubiquity of tech and the push for STEM subjects in general.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any insight as to why they think the
> numbers have dropped in they way they have. It can't only be explained
> by the scaling down, can it?
>
> TIA
> Tracey
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hi Ben
We use Unity at year 10 (not me )
At year 9 we do Lego - as robotics - a big investment at first but the students do enjoy it (not me either) - semester length
We used to also do animation as a whole semester and multimedia as a whole semester but those course were crunched out by the new improved year 9 curriculum
At year 7 we do Google apps for education 5 weeks, sketch up [3D drawing](5 wks), scratch (5 wks) and movie editing [sony movie studio](5 wks) = one semester
year 11 and 12 numbers still dwindling this year Sof Dev 8 students (me), IT Apps (11 students - not me) & IT 1, 2 ( 12 students - not me)
So we have four IT qualified teachers ? and also two very competent IT teachers (not formally qualified) not teaching IT
?.
Andrew
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> On 28 May 2015, at 2:12 pm, Benn POLLOCK <pol at wantirnacollege.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>
> Re: A research question...
>
> I am the only "IT" teacher trained in my school also, teaching an allotment of Year 9 IT, Year 10 IT, 2x Year 11 UT and IT Applications. I have built the curriculum from the ground up in both Year 9 and Year 10 - offering what i believe to be engaging and fun elements of IT. This is the first year i've had side by side year 11 classes which is fantastic for looking towards the future for numbers in Year 12 (5th year teaching, 4th year of VCE IT).
>
> My Year 9 consists of Animating in Flash, Game Development in Gamemaker and a theory unit titled Computers & Society which has a strong focus on how technology is used and how it changes our lives. This unit also has as strong focus in video games and their impact on adolescents.
> Year 10 is Webdesign and Development, using HTML/CSS/Dreamweaver/Photoshop, and Networking(which is just theory /yawn). For next year i'm looking at modifying my curriculum in both year levels, replacing Gamemaker in Year 9 and Networks in Year 10.
>
> What are other IT teachers out there teaching at these levels that is fun and engaging for students? I've looked at Unity as a possible replacement for networks in Year 10 but not sure at this stage. I don't want their to be much of an overlap with the Year 11 study design as a lot of my year 11 students are finding doing networks again a bit dry and it makes it tough to teach some of them. 9 and 10 are also just semester long subjects so they are restricted by time.
>
> Cheers
>
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> Hi,
>
> "sexy": Psychology, Outdoor Ed, HHD, VET Nah, not necessarily sexier -
> though there is a better spread of genders.
>
> But: perceived easier. Absolutely. Add Legal Studies and PE to the list.
>
> Information Technology is perceived to be harder, because it involves the computational thinking Abbott believes we don't need.
>
> There is a huge need for schools to at least have quality and trained IT teachers for junior and senior year levels, and also to offer not just Apps/Informatics, but Software Development as well.
>
> The problem is that school timetables are cramped, and generally the HHD and PE element on the school organisation (lots of coordinators, managers and curriculum developers are from the PE faculty at least in my school) ensures that the squeeze is on and therefore IT is removed and teachers can "integrate it into subjects" - a process that is not always audited and therefore not at the quality expected by senior IT teachers. It's a lot easier to not offer Information Technology at junior levels (7 and 8) and to offer lipservice training at middle years.
>
> In Year 9 and 10 lots of students are disengaged with the entire learning process, so it remains key for us as IT teaching professionals to ensure that the content is delivered in a quality manner, by people who are trained and capable. If we deliver great electives at Y9 and Y10, we can offer pathways to Informatics and Software Development in the future.
>
> I'm the only IT teacher at my school, teaching Year 10, Year 11 x 2 and Year 12 Apps x2. I don't have any more timetable space to get into the Year 9 and 10 "Multimedia/IT" subjects to improve the content, let alone ensure computational thinking is integrated into Year 7 and 8 by teachers who think showing a Youtube clip at the start of a class is integrating IT.
>
> The only solution I see is to create brilliant and fully documented subjects for Year 9 and 10 (e.g. Game Design, Web Design, App Development), get them massively oversubscribed and create the pathway to Year 10-12. Big oversubscription should lead to another qualified IT teaching graduate being hired and we can work as a team.
>
> >From little things, big things grow.
>
> And on Donnelly/Wilkshire, if this is seriously where they are at in relation to ICT general capability vs the Digital Technologies subject, then I ask for Abbott to please call an early election. Now.
>
> </rant>
>
> Lucas
>
>
> From: "Lewis, Jane L" <lewis.jane.l at edumail.vic.gov.au
> <mailto:lewis.jane.l at edumail.vic.gov.au>>
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> Hello,
>
> A fellow lurker, but keen observer. I have taught IT in various forms since the days of typing and information processing. What I have noticed is that the growth of ?sexy? subjects like Psychology, Outdoor Ed, Health & Human Development, VET etc has taken away many who would traditionally choose this subject. The junior IT subjects offered in schools is usually an allotment filler (if offered anymore) and thus people who are uninterested and unqualified have allowed the subject to decline into Kahootz worlds. The interest in wanting to learn how to use applications has waned and the general skill level (if my students are any indication) has declined so much that if a subject appears difficult (to the slacker crowd), it will not be selected. The boys who do choose it love devices and their games (playing them, of course) but have little to no inclination in learning the features and fundamentals of applications.
>
> The problem is exacerbated by students coming in with only ipad experience, a significant candy-crush/phone/Facebook/YouTube/Instagram/Snapchat/overnight gaming session/?next new game? addiction. Any subject would have difficulties attracting students with such high expectations of life! The IT of 1990-2000 was new and different and thus it was easier to attract students. Engaging students many years ago was much easier because high schools had computers ? this differentiated us from Primary and home.
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> Jane
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> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] A research question...
>
> Hello,
>
> I am a pre-service IT teacher and long-time lurker. I am working on an assessment investigating issues and debates around the implementation of the (proposed) Digital Technologies curriculum and the implications for schools and teachers. In the Donnely and Whiltsire review, they propose that IT remain a general capability and the standalone subject be scrapped or made optional. One of the arguments is there are not enough suitably qualified teachers and that it can be taught across the disciplines. They obviously miss the point that ITC != computational thinking.
>
> I am curious to hear what practicing IT teachers think about this assertion. I went to a school tour on Friday and was surprised to learn they didn't offer IT as a subject at all, not even in VCE. No electives in Year 9. Nothing. I had a look at the overall statistics for VCE IT apps and VCE Software Development and saw enrolments are significantly down from their 2000?2001 peak. During the online PD for the new VCE subjects, Paula Christophersen mentioned they have increased this year by 10%, but it still seems quite low given the ubiquity of tech and the push for STEM subjects in general.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any insight as to why they think the numbers have dropped in they way they have. It can't only be explained by the scaling down, can it?
>
> TIA
> Tracey
>
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