[Year 12 IT Apps] itapps Digest, Vol 110, Issue 16

Wed Apr 16 11:58:54 EST 2014

Andrew. I would imagine you're not alone. And for what it's worth, I
totally agree with you. What a great idea. I think I'll put that forward to
our curriculum people. Love your thinking. Nice! Maybe it was obvious but I
feel a lot better.

Thank you. Litsa (:-)

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, Andrew Shortell <shortell at get2me.net> wrote:

> Hi Matthew
> I am still in favour of a subject called business computing run by the
> business people for business that sets students up to be able to work in an
> office and is just training like they do in TAFE
> I truly believe there is a place for just learning how to use software for
> commerce etc
> Maybe let it be a VET subject and be offered for students who just want to
> learn some skills that they can't learn themselves through using google and
> you-tube.
>
> Then in our subject we can teach students to think like they do in
> Chemistry, History and English Literature rather than just teach them how
> to use a bunch of business software.
>
> People often complain that our subject is significantly scaled down by
> VTAC unlike Chemistry, History and English Literature.
>
> Please don't let me be the lone voice calling for  a  Business Computing
> (maybe VET) subject.
>
> Surely there must be more teachers out there who would be happy teaching
>  a    Business Computing     type of course
> And students who want to learn a few introductory skills about different
> types of software
>
> When you fill in the survey *PLEASE* make sure you let VCAA know that
> they need *another* subject to fill this type of need
> I have put that in my response.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> Andrew Shortell
> Educator
> CRC Melton
>
>
> shortell at get2me.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','shortell at get2me.net');>(This List)
> @acsbear8 (twitter)
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15/04/2014, at 10:38 PM, "Elliott, Matthew M" <
> elliott.matthew.m at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
> The proposed VCE IT Apps Study Design... opinions?
>
> To put it lightly, I'm very concerned.
>
> We just got kids picking U1/U2 IT and U3/U4 IT Apps again after a couple
> of years without a class in either - 22 kids across both classes in a small
> senior school was something we were quite proud of - and will now lead them
> elsewhere (probably towards VCE VET IT, SD or perhaps even VET Digital
> Media).
>
> Do the people at VCAA (the IT writers anyway) ever consider the skills and
> interests of teachers/students when making changes to courses? We are
> working hard to learn all aspects of this study design, with databases
> being an area of weakness. Everytime I go to a VCE IT Conference it is
> filled with a) Gurus who know everything and b) Suckers who are battling
> for the good of their kids. I think I fall somewhere in between currently
> but I will quickly become a 'B' if this draft passes through.
>
> Really disappointed. I was hoping that the current topics would be updated
> to meet modern demands. I understand databases may be what the industry
> wants but surely it would be better to give students a wide range of skills
> to increase their confidence and skills. Then, when they go to university,
> they might choose specialisations in areas of industry need. It also takes
> away the attractiveness of this subject for those who are not looking for
> an IT career but see the value of having these skills for other occupations
> (Commerce etc.).
>
> Sorry for the strong language but I'm really frustrated about this.
>
> Matt
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> It is nice to have a fresh set of eyes read the document
>
> When you read the  Computing: Informatics  units of the Study remember the
> purpose of the whole study is to promote learning. Anyone can learn bits
> about any application but the old IPM and ITA did not step far beyond that.
>
> CI  does more.
>
> Here is a great opportunity for some people to produce teaching reso
>
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