[Year 12 IT Apps] [Year 12 SofDev] Web authoring software

Mon Dec 2 15:58:35 EST 2013

Hello Janet,

Thank-you for your input. I don't think I can add anything else, as you
have put it perfectly.
We have declined numbers for the past few years and I'm really grateful
that leadership at my school allows Y11 and Y12 classes to run with about
10 students, on average.

As technology makes its way in and out of everything we do, everyone seems
to be an expert and feels they don't need any formal education around it.

Since more subjects were introduced at my school, the students have more
options and naturally are stretched over more domains.

I agree, let's ask them what they expect IT to be these days and what they
want to learn.

Litsa [?]

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Bane, Janet A <
bane.janet.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:

>  Like everyone else, I have noticed a steady decline in the number of
> students choosing IT, especially girls.  It concerns me that girls don't
> see IT as a possible career or something that they would enjoy or be good
> at (even though they have a female IT teacher and a female IT technician
> working on the network).  I am not teaching year 12 this year, but my Year
> 11 class only had 1 girl last year, and 21 boys.  Now we have "stepped up"
> to 2014, we have about 36 Year 11 IT students, but only two girls. Year 10
> classes have shown the same trend.
>
> I think its time that IT had a "makeover", in terms of finding out what
> things would appeal to girls.  From my experience they tend to enjoy
> projects where they can explore their creativity, rather than being overly
> technical. I think its time to acknowledge that some aspects of the current
> course are turning students off (male and female) as VCE numbers are in
> decline. Our digital natives are using ICT every day in many different ways
> and they aren’t making spreadsheets and databases!
>
> We need to have a serious think about how we can attract students back to
> IT, in particular girls who make up 50% of the VCE cohort otherwise we will
> all eventually be out of a job.   One good way to find out what kids want
> to study in IT is to ASK them.  Maybe we could set up a SURVEY on google
> docs and ask teachers to do it with their Year 10 or 11 students so we get
> a wide cross section of opinions.  We shouldn’t be starting the process of
> writing the new study design until we get some GOOD data.  Isn’t that what
> IT is all about?
>
>
>
> What do others think????
>
>
>
>
>
> Janet Bane
> Patterson River SC
>
>
>
>
> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Christophersen, Paula P
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 December 2013 12:13 PM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] [Year 12 SofDev] Web authoring software
>
>
>
> Hi George
>
>
>
> At the moment no – we have had several meetings and we now have a set of
> Aims and a lot of other material that has resulted from our analysis. We
> are having an all day meeting next week at which we aim to have a broad
> overview (or skeleton plan) of all units so we should be heading in the
> right direction. We’ve been doing quite a bit analysis of assessment
> results and looking at alternative assessment modes for units 3 and 4. All
> interesting! Do you have any suggestions as to our direction?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Paula
>
>
>
> Paula Christophersen
>
> Curriculum Manager, Digital Technologies
>
> Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority
>
> 2 Lonsdale Street
>
> MELBOURNE 3000
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> (03) 9032 1724
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> 0407 043 110
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>
>
> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au <itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On
> Behalf Of *Ciotti, George W
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 December 2013 11:53 AM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] [Year 12 SofDev] Web authoring software
>
>
>
> Hi Paula,
>
>
>
> Has VCAA got a skeleton plan of what is being considered at this early
> stage?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> George
>
>
>
> UHS Website Manager
>
> IT/Arts/Design/Tech Domain
>
> University High School
>
> 77 Story St
>
> Parkville 3052
>
> *mobile: 0412 934 782*
>
> phone: 9347 2022
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>
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>
>
> *From: *"Christophersen, Paula P" <
> christophersen.paula.p at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> *Reply-To: *Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List <
> itapps at edulists.com.au>
> *Date: *Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:52:56 +0000
> *To: *Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> sofdev at edulists.com.au>, Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List <
> itapps at edulists.com.au>, Year 11 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing
> List <yr11it at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject: *Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] [Year 12 SofDev] Web authoring software
>
>
>
> All comments about the strengths and weaknesses of the current study, and
> opportunities for inclusion would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Paula
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> on behalf of Mark [mark at vceit.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 29 November 2013 1:13 PM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 Software
> Development Teachers' Mailing List; Year 11 Information Technology
> Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] [Year 12 IT Apps] Web authoring software
>
> (Apologies for crossposts, but this may affect everyone.)
>
>
>
> An old study design did include Agile, but it disappeared. (This is more
> of an SD issue rather than ITA, but it's still relevant.)
> The old design had different flavours of the SDLC for SD/IS, ITA/IPM,
> Units 1/2... an awful mess. But at least it recognised that different
> models existed, and had merit.
>
>
>
> I'm glad the current study design listened to reason and devised a single,
> coherent PSM, but to ignore Agile and other models is - as you say - odd
> since Agile is a major player in The Real World.
>
>
>
> I guess VCAA has to balance realism against practicality : it would be
> impossible to include *everything* involved in real-life IT in a course
> consisting of around 130 hours of class time per year.  The question is -
> what is so important that it can't be left out? And if new content is
> added, what should be removed to make room for it?
>
>
>
> Since Paula recently announced that the new study design is in
> preparation, this is the time to pull out our blue pencils, judge the
> current contents and give our feedback.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Savage, John L <
> savage.john.l at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
> Roland,
>
>
>
> The mismatch was never so clear as on a recent industry visit we made.
> Increasingly software is being developed for early and rapid release/update
> cycles. The software houses we visited all used the AGILE model, one in
> particular used a very formal Agile approach with an Agile Coach and
> regular morning sessions that sounded like they were based on AA meetings
> (hello, I’m Larry and I’m a Ruby developer, and yesterday I wrote 500 lines
> of code, today I will write another 500). Our mandated PSM is looking long
> in the tooth, great for shrink-wrapped software with infrequent updates,
> not so useful for rapidly evolving web-based solutions.
>
>
>
> Laurie Savage
>
>
>
> *From:*itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Roland Gesthuizen
> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 November 2013 3:25 PM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Web authoring software
>
>
>
> We need to be clear and align with the skills that are being asked.
> Increasingly my friends in ye' olde big world build and publish using
> content management systems (Drupal, Joomla, wikis etc.) My school continues
> to use Dream Weaver.
>
>
>
> Google Sites may be an interesting way forward, especially if we consider
> how to best manage and assess the work of a team who are working online
> together. I'd agree with Jarrod that it is very easy to open and close
> access to a site and authenticate usage.
>
>
>
> Timely discussion. There is a trend and interest with device such as
> Chromebooks. Whilst they may not suit everybodies ICT taste or VCEIT needs,
> I also notice that we seem to have a doubling of what can be done online
> every two years. Four years ago we were just editing basic word docs, then
> came spreadsheets .. then more. I can see cracks starting to happen with
> our VCE IT subject that is firmly anchored in desktop solutions and like
> others on this list. We can expect more of this to happen over the next
> decade, just check out the horizon report:
> http://www.nmc.org/pdf/2013-horizon-report-k12.pdf
>
>
>
> Regards Roland
>
> *Roland GESTHUIZEN*
> http://about.me/rgesthuizen
>
>
>
>
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
> can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
> --Margaret Mead
>
>
>
> On 27 Nov 2013, at 2:09 pm, Savage, John L <
> savage.john.l at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> I’m not too comfortable with the fit between sites.google.com and CSS
> from a skills perspective. While an author can select attributes:values for
> tags, I’m not convinced that that demonstrates the skills to edit the html
> or a style sheet, or maybe I’m making it too difficult. As far as the key
> skills for AOS1 go “Sites” looks OK. But if I remember, this was discussed
> last year and online web-creation software was ruled out. Maybe Paula could
> clarify this.
>
>
>
> Laurie Savage
>
> Pascoe Vale Girls College
>
>
>
> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au <itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On
> Behalf Of *Van Der Westhuizen, Eugene Y
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 November 2013 9:22 PM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Year 12 IT Apps] Web authoring software
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am looking at the options for web authoring software to use in unit 1
> and unit 3 next year and would like any feedback about using Google Sites.
> I’ve used Expression Web and DreamWeaver over the last couple of years but
> a number of students this year asked whether they could have used Google
> Sites. As far as I can see from the VCAA site the software needs to
> incorporate the following items:
>
> *Web authoring software*
>
>    - cascading style sheet
>    - edit and format content
>    - links (relative and absolute links, internal and external links)
>    - navigation
>    - buttons
>    - screen layout
>    - tagging (metadata tags, alt tags)
>    - forms
>    - incorporate images/sound
>
>  As far as I can see from this list Google Sites would meet the
> requirements and want to offer this an another alternative. Has anyone gone
> down this path before? I’d appreciate any feedback.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Eugene Van der Westhuizen*
>
> *Gleneagles Secondary College*
>
> *Reema Boulevard*
>
> *Endeavour Hills, 3802*
>
> *phone: 9708 1319*
>
> *fax: 9708 1324*
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark Kelly
>
> mark AT vceit DOT com
>
> http://vceit.com
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>
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