[Year 12 IT Apps] Teaching year 11 IT and IT applications

Fri Nov 16 23:28:15 EST 2012

I think the annual alternation is the most common method used. While ITA
and SD share some content, they are now (fortunately) distinct enough to
make a shared class awkward.

And cheers on your star appearance in The Age on Monday, Roland!
I appear daily in class in a bikini for 10 years and STILL no reporters
take my picture!

On 15 November 2012 15:53, Roland Gesthuizen <rgesthuizen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fascinating Heath, that could work. Has anybody else tried alternating
> between ITA and SD .. or even running both in the one classroom?
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> Regards Roland
>
> *Roland Gesthuizen* | eLearning Leader
> Keysborough College DEECD
> http://about.me/rgesthuizen
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> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
> can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
> --Margaret Mead
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> On 15/11/2012, at 3:47 PM, "Matheson, Heath A" <
> Matheson.Heath.A at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
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> I agree Kevork,
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> Three years ago curriculum committee suggested 1/2/3/4 combined IT, I
> successfully argued for alternating ITA and SD instead. So far no regrets.
> This gives us enough numbers to run a VCE class and students can still
> study IT in both year 11 and 12.
>
> Heath Matheson
> Mount Beauty Secondary College
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-
> bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
> Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 1:38 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Teaching year 11 IT and IT applications
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> Hi Folks,
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>  Why not combine the classes and run the Yr 12 version only ?
> I did that with 11 Yr 12s and 7 Yr 11s this year to run Software
> Development.
>  I ran VET IT Yr 11 and 12 in the same class for many years but it was
> never fair on anyone. At best students get half a teacher.
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> Speak soon
> Kevork
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> From myexperience it depends entirely on the students involved! I have
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> done this twice in my teaching history. Once it worked well, I had two
> kids that wanted to do Year 11 IT and they were self directed learners
> who didn't need any additional assistance or motivation. I have also
> had combined classes of Year 11 and Year 12 that were a lot of work
> due to students that couldn't direct their own learning.
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> I think that the needs of the students and skills of the teacher need
> to be taken into consideration. It can be a great opportunity for a
> student to do a subject that ordinarily doesn't run, or it can, as
> Geoff puts it trivialise the subject.
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> Regards
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> Margaret Lawson
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> Frankly, I find the notion of teaching yr11 and yr12 subjects in 1
> class absurd and it trivialises the subjects.
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> Can only come from the bean counters.
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> Geoff
> McGuire College
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> On 15/11/12 9:06 AM, "Roland Gesthuizen" <rgesthuizen at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I have a thought that I may need to 'flip' some of the things I am
> doing with some scaffolding to time-shift talks to both groups. Easy
> to say, tricker to do.
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> Have had a lot of luck this year breaking students into small groups
> and giving each team a googledoc to work with for chapter summaries
> and homework questions.
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> Regards Roland
>
> Roland Gesthuizen | eLearning Leader
> Keysborough College DEECD
> http://about.me/rgesthuizen
>
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
> change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
> --Margaret Mead
>
> On 15/11/2012, at 8:23 AM, "Savage, John L"
> <savage.john.l at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
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> Likewise - numbers are way down next year. What strategies will you use?
> I've taught differentiated classes, but never two different courses
> in the same room.
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> Laurie Savage
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> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Roland
> Gesthuizen
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012 5:36 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Teaching year 11 IT and IT
> applications
>
> Thanks everybody for sharing this feedback. I have heard that I may
> need to run a composite 11 and 12 IT class next year. Going to be
> interesting.
>
> Regards Roland
>
> Roland Gesthuizen | eLearning Leader
> Keysborough College DEECD
> http://about.me/rgesthuizen
>
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
> change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
> --Margaret Mead
>
> On 13/11/2012, at 1:59 PM, Rob Minato <rminato at ccw.vic.edu.au> wrote:
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> It's hard work. I have done it a few times as numbers are always such
> that it would not run as a stand alone subjects. I get a one period
> time allowance (72 min).
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> I've got everything online so kids can work at their own pace with me
> just doing my bit as and when needed.
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> Vera, email me offline if you want more info.
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> We are not running at all next year as school has introduced a new
> subject (VET creative media) that has taken numbers away from IT, but
> VET attracts lots of finding.
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> Regards
>
> Rob
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> Robert Minato
> Teacher
> Arts and Technology Domain
> Catholic College Wodonga
> 1 Bowman Crt
> Wodonga Vic 3690
> 0260435546
> rminato at ccw.vic.edu.au
> www.ccw.vic.edu.au <http://www.ccw.vic.edu.au/>
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> On 13/11/2012, at 10:22 AM, Vera Cook wrote:
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> Hi everyone
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> I was wondering has anyone had to teach 11 iT and 12 Applications in
> the same class and if so please give me some ideas.
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> Thankyou Vera
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