[Year 12 IT Apps] Youtube? as well as the netspace filter [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]

Wed Mar 21 09:01:11 EST 2012

I think while I agree with your general thrust Andrew, it is most 
definitely the case that no one sued you into oblivion when the Arab 
spring went wrong! Facebook et al leaves oh so many untested potential 
legal liabilities that I will not be opening access to it via our 
network for the foreseeable future. The philosophy underpinning 
knowledge and communication in schools has to be tempered with exigent 
reality, whether we might like it or not

Regards,
Brett Groves
ICT Manager
Croydon Secondary College

On 14/03/12 20:22, Andrew Shortell wrote:
> hi y'all
>
> Myspace is so "early last decade" and facebook is so last decade
> surely we have moved past these outdated social anachronisms
>
> Are we not about creating a learning experience that leads our 
> students to a greater awareness of the possibilities of their life?
>
> if the Arab Spring can launch on the back of twitter (have you read 
> how popular twitter is in Indonesia?) then...
>
> if a teacher's class control is so poor/so low  that the students 
> spend their time on social media instead of on the learning experience 
> that the teacher is facilitating then ...
>
> this ancient paradigm of teaching is so last century or is it the 
> century before?
>
> any how off my soap box and back to marking SACs - god i love 
> summative assessment -- not
>
> Andrew Shortell
> CRC Melton
>
> On 14/03/2012, at 5:44 PM, Pearse, Steven S wrote:
>
>> I can't believe that we are having the conversation about whether to 
>> unblock youtube or not - especially for teachers. I always look 
>> around the net for interesting things that relate to the content that 
>> I teach to make it more relatable - Countless times I have found a 
>> site that I wanted to access that has blocked (not by our school, but 
>> by netspace (aka 'the department') It makes me sad and angry that our 
>> jobs are being made hard by people that are outside our classroom and 
>> they are deciding what we can and can't show in our classes. (For the 
>> record - it was a business management game that was blocked that made 
>> me rant about this, but there has been many many more occasions like 
>> this)
>>
>> Open to students? Well that is another issue - I personally don't 
>> mind, although it does bring other classroom management issues to the 
>> surface(headphones, etc). But really, if students are going to 
>> "become distracted by it" what is stopping them from bringing in a 
>> memory stick with content on it, or finding online games (we can't 
>> block everything!) It seems like we are scared to let the kids open 
>> to the real world while we are under supervision, but they can access 
>> anything they like outside of school (or on their phone which is 
>> sitting next to them!!!! )(how many parents watch their kids on the 
>> net???.....) Don't get me started on the government censor....      A 
>> situation occurred today where a student had to get an email from a 
>> website that I sent them, and their email was blocked - so they 
>> downloaded the key on their phone and then entered it into the 
>> website.... *shakes head*  (and yes, they were told to use their 
>> school email account :)
>>
>> In my experience, youtube gets abused when an extra is being taken, 
>> and the kids have free reign (or a teacher has a teaching method of 
>> sitting at the front of the class for 70 minutes...)
>>
>>
>> Getting back on topic - I'm not advocating that we enable Facebook or 
>> MySpace(so 2004!) (even though I think that they also could be 
>> useful) My argument is that YouTube is such a valuable resource, to 
>> deny teachers access to it is almost as bad as denying students 
>> access to technology in the first place.
>>
>>
>>
>> teachertube for what it is worth is rubbish when comparing it to youtube.
>>
>>
>> My two cents worth....
>>
>>
>> Steve Pearse
>> Narre Warren P-12
>>
>>
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>> We allow full access to YouTube. It helps having a synchronous 100mb 
>> pipe and no download limit.
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>> Very useful for T&L
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>> We have YouTube open for teachers and any video they want to use in 
>> class can be unblocked and embedded into our LMS
>>
>> We occasionally open up YouTube to various year levels for special 
>> projects
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>> Tim Kitchen
>> Strathcona
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>> On 13/03/2012, at 3:32 PM, Turner, William S wrote:
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>>
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>> Just a general question as to whether your school allows/unblocks 
>> YouTube for ITA usage (or any other class).
>>
>> There's a bit of pressure here for me to open it up, when Netspace's 
>> default position is "no" with good reasons.
>>
>> Any comments or ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill Turner
>> Dandenong High
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