[Year 12 IT Apps] Puts down the rifle...

Tue Nov 15 13:01:43 EST 2011

Royce

That’s fine but what is the correct response?

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Mark Scott
Luther College

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Ah but I know lots if commercial programs that do this.
Sort numbers as text.
It's very annoying.
Plus you are falling into the teaching Microsoft only trap.
There are other possibilities.
I rather like the question as a descriminator for thinking students.

Royce Williams
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On 15/11/2011, at 11:47 AM, Adric Gardner <gardner.adric.a at edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:gardner.adric.a at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
Actually in excel, if it is entered as

'6
'17 etc (don't have the exam in front of me)

It is sorted as text.  But off memory, that's not what the question asked

Regards,

Adric Gardner

On 15/11/2011, at 11:19 AM, Robert Hind <robert at yinnar.com<mailto:robert at yinnar.com>> wrote:
So you do that in Excel and it totally ignores your formatting as text and sorts as though the entries are numbers. Do the same in Access and it does accept that the field is text and does sort as text.

Thank you Microsoft

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Putting commas in front of the numbers changes the question.

The only way to enter numbers as text in by formatting the cells or the field as text.

WOOF

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Mark Scott
Luther College

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Try forcing the numbers to be text (put an apostophe in front of the digits) and try it again.  Excel has to ask you what you really want to sort as text or as thinks that "look like numbers."

On 15 November 2011 09:37, Esko Lossi <elossi at chairo.vic.edu.au<mailto:elossi at chairo.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
When I do question 13 (Section A) on a spreadsheet, the answer the spreadsheet gives is A.

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David, I agree with most of your answers for the MC questions, except no.9 I think the answer should be 9B as tactical decisions are more short term and specific.
Ken Tonkin

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I’m with Mark on this one. Definitely A.

Validation can ensure that I input a date of birth for example that is reasonable, say 12/08/1981 but is it accurate, no!

Here are my multiple choice answers.

1 B
2 A
3 D
4 D
5 A
6 A
7 B
8 A
9 A – not so confident on that one
10 A
11 C
12 C
13 B
14 B
15 D
16 C
17 B
18 B
19 C
20 C

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Validation deals with data entry.

Options B, C and D are all testing to ensure data manipulation is correct/accurate etc.

Only option A clearly deals with data entry (i.e. the most correct option)

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Mark Scott
Luther College

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Dear wiser colleagues
Can someone help me with MC question 8?

An effective validation technique is evident when … all answers seem to support the presence of an effective validation technique.

A – at first glance the answer but is reasonableness the best evidence of validation?
B- an accurate report suggests accurate input data, doesn’t it?
C- least likely but again “reasonably”? What does that mean? If data can be sorted is it valid?
D –calculated files gives correct answers! Is this evidence of GIGO – not garbage in, garbage out, but good in, good out?

I’m confused!
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Yeah I just found that, thanks

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A – Scope see page 17 of the study design.

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I cannot believe that number question. No one would normally type numbers in as numerals, set the data type to text and then order from A -> Z.

I doubt anyone would get the answer to that unless they have accidentally done it in the past.

Because you have entered them as text, the sort will only look at the left most number to order them (just like with normal ones).

Answer according to Access is B….

Question 5 in the Multiple Choice? What’s the consensus on that one?

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I don’t have the paper in front of me, but after a quick chat to my students, plain to see that they had differing opinions on the sorting of numbers as text question in the multiple choice.

I’m not marking this year by the way.

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I'm reading the paper now.

Section A looks pretty free of rabies.

I have put the gun down after reading the normalisation question...  Thank Dog sanity prevailed on that one!

Damn that ERD question - three marks and they had to draw an entire diagram from scratch!  Grrr.

The 8 mark question appeared, as we expected.  And it was approachable.

Overall, I think I might give the dog a bone.

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