[Year 12 IT Apps] An ITA Exam query

Mon Nov 14 09:22:12 EST 2011

Hi Jarrod. I don't use a text for ITA.

As for software, I'd use that which you know best. I use Filemaker because
I'm expert at it and can give my kids a lot more support than if I used
Access simply because it's more mainstream.

For the website I use Dreamweaver, again because I know it. However, I am
sorely tempted to use a CMS like Joomla because in The Real World (TM)
that's where the tide is flowing...  The problem is implementing a CMS on a
school network.

On 14 November 2011 09:04, Robinson, Jarrod J <
robinson.jarrod.j at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:

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> *Hi all*
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> *Thanks for the useful information Mark, and the website you operate. *
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> *As a first time teacher of IT Apps next year , Im wondering what texts
> people use/resources etc. What software do you find allows for easy
> development of skills in both units and for successful demonstration of the
> outcomes (database/web)*
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> *Looking forward to contributing to the list next year.*
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> *Cheers*
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> *Jarrod*
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> On 14 November 2011 08:35, Mark KELLY <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> wrote:**
> **
>
> The feedback I've received about exam marking philosophy is extremely
> interesting, and it reinforces for me the PD value of marking VCAA papers.
>
> I've always assumed (because VCAA has never said otherwise) that if asked
> for 'n' points, markers would read the first 'n' answers given and ignore
> any more.  Apparently this is not the case.
>
> Several people have suggested that the following guidelines may be useful
> for those of us marking our kids' answers in outcomes and practice exams...
>
> Mind you, these are not official, permanent, carved-in-stone VCAA rules.
> They are only offered as guidelines gleaned from markers' experiences, and
> may change from year to year...
>
> ----
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> * Marking 'toughness' can fluctuate from year to year depending on the
> difficulty of the paper.
>
> * If 'n' points are asked for and the student gives more points, markers
> will read all the points given and award marks if 'n' good points were
> given: in other words, the marker tries to find marks for kids. So if a kid
> is asked for 2 points, and the kid's first point was wrong, but then gives
> 2 good points, the kid gets two marks.
>
> * Markers are not asked to stop reading answers after the requested number
> of points has been given, so kids could write a load of rubbish and still
> get full marks if they somehow get to the correct stuff by the end.
>
> * If a 2-mark question asks for a "List and Describe", it will be marked
> 1+1=2 marks.
>
> * If asked for 2 points and you give 2...
>      - 2 marks generally means 2 points need to be made, or a good point
> with a good reason for it.
>      - 2 marks for a "discuss..." question can also indicate you have to
> give a point from each side of the discussion (and if you gave 2 points
> from the same side of the discussion, you only get 1 mark)
>
> * If asked for 2 points and you give 3...
>      - if is blatantly wrong, or contradicts of of the two other good
> points, you cannot get full marks
>      - if one is wrong, but does not contradict the other two, you can get
> full marks
>      - if one is weak due to obvious cluelessness you cannot get full marks
>
> * Because the question is blind double-marked, if one marker gives 2 and
> the other gives 1, you get an effective average of 1.5.
> * However if it goes to a third marker, you're less likely to get the 2
> marks because the third marking is more conservative.
> * Sometimes, two marks is taken to mean 3 points are required if the
> points are really obvious.
>
> So, as I said, all of this is only for guidance. I know that in future
> I'll keep reading even after the student gives their 'n' points and I'll
> look to give marks if they eventually get to the nub of the questions! It
> certainly will affect the way I mark the Q&A parts of outcomes!
>
> If there are other little birds out there with more useful insights into
> the marking process, I'm happy to hear more.
>
> Regards
> Mark****
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> ****
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> On 13 November 2011 11:20, Mark KELLY <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> wrote:**
> **
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> I'm not even sure that 2 marks means you have to make 2 points.
> That's never been mentioned officially anywhere.  Perhaps an anonymous
> marker could whisper in my ear offlist?
>
> kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
>
> Cheers****
>
>
> On 13 November 2011 09:58, Mark Scott <msc at luther.vic.edu.au> wrote:
> > I would imagine the rule does not apply.
> >
> >
> >
> > If the question asks for two examples (and is worth two marks) then only
> the
> > first two examples would be marked. But if asked to explain or discuss
> then
> > the whole response would be considered.
> >
> >
> >
> > But I’m sure wiser heads than mine out there can offer a more informed
> > opinion.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Scott
> >
> > Luther College
> > "The busier you get, the slower you walk" anon
> >
> >
> > From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> > On Behalf Of Garnsworthy, John W
> > Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 9:36 AM
> > To: itapps at edulists.com.au
> > Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] An ITA Exam query
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> > As we fast approach the day of reckoning, my best student has posed this
> > question of me.
> >
> > "Hello, just a question I've been mulling over.
> >
> > If a question is worth say 2 marks and says explain/give points/discuss
> but
> > does not indicate that it specifically requires two points or discussions
> > does the rule of only taking the first two pieces of information still
> > apply?
> > So if I respond with three pieces of response will only the first two be
> > counted or will all three be taken into account? If all three are then
> what
> > happens if two are correct but one is wrong? Will I still get the two
> marks
> > because I have stated two correct points?"
> >
> > Would anyone like to help me out with their spin on it?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jock Garnsworthy
> > Wiliamstown High School****
>
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Mark Kelly
Manager of ICT, Reporting, IT Learning Area
McKinnon Secondary College
McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
Direct line / Voicemail: +613 8520 9085, Fax +613 9578 9253
kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
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