[Year 12 IT Apps] 2010 ITA examiners' report

Mon May 23 07:29:52 EST 2011

I have to agree.

By all means, we should apply our critical brains to construct and
deconstruct exams and justify the merits of various solutions (with the odd,
whimsical dog biscuit thrown in to encourage debate). Whilst this is just
part of good debate, we should not poke sticks into the lion cage or snipe
about the turning the clock back from the collective safety of our
post-examination Tardis.

As an assessment tool we should have broad confidence in the tecnical
function and analytical role of the examination and help work towards
raising the bar with this discussion. It's a tough call to assemble these
examinations and we should give due respect and dignity to examination
colleagues on this list who read and reflect on our posts.

Regards Roland

On 20 May 2011 09:26, Mark Scott <msc at luther.vic.edu.au> wrote:

> Hopefully we will find that the mistake was corrected but just didn’t make
> it onto this copy of the examiner’s report.
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> I would be amazed if none of the markers picked it up as an error.
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> Mark Scott
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> Luther College
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> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Shortell
> *Sent:* Friday, 20 May 2011 8:59 AM
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> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] 2010 ITA examiners' report
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> Hi Mark and others (and aware that Paula and Claudia will read this too!!)
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> Those of you who have marked exams (as I have for over twenty years) will
> know that this comment is just NOT ON. (all caps deliberate)
> There is vigorous and Robust (remember IPM) debate between markers about
> what is correct, what is acceptable and what we should accept.
> If you really are worried about what the exam marking people actually do
> then you should apply to mark exams and actually do 300-400 in ten days.
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> I feel that this comment is JUST NOT ON.
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> Andrew
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> On 20/05/11 8:39 AM, "Mark KELLY" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> wrote:
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> Hi Frank.  Yes, question 5a about the critical path is fine. In fact it
> didn't depend on the Gantt chart at all.
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> It's the 4 marks for the Gantt chart in Q5b that kids may have lost. I
> don't know how many marks were lost if my kids started task B in day 1 and
> correctly added dependency arrows to D and E from the dummy task (as they
> probably probably would have done).
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> It's easy enough to find mistakes in the questions asked in an exam; the
> problem is that if the markers' *solution* is wrong, we can't find out
> until the assessment report is released and it's far too late to do any
> good.
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> On 19 May 2011 17:29, Russo, Frank R <Russo.Frank.R at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> wrote:
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> Hi Mark
> Technically the only problem with the Gant chart is that Task B and A would
> have begun @ the same time but then there would have been 3 days slack time
> while A and then C were completed so the answers would still be correct even
> though the chart has errors.
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> Yet another awesome question from the Examiners well almost?
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> Frank
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> *Frank Russo
> **Leading Teacher - Timetabling & Daily Organiser
> Monterey Secondary College
> Frankston North, 3200
> Phone: 9781-7700
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> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [
> mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au <itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark KELLY
> *Sent:* Thursday, 19 May 2011 12:09 PM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Year 12 IT Apps] 2010 ITA examiners' report
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> *From the 2010 ITA Exam - Question 5B. * I have a belated complaint now
> that I've seen the examiner's official answer in the assessment report <
> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vcaa/vce/studies/infotech/it-applications/assessreports/2010/itapps_assessrep_10.pdf>
> .
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> Can someone please point out if I'm wrong, but I think they've badly messed
> up the answer, and kids will have unfairly lost up to 4 marks.
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> >From the PERT chart ...
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> They asked for a corresponding Gantt chart. Their solution was this:
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> It's obvious in the PERT that tasks A and B are *concurrent*.  *B is not
> dependent on A*!
> Yet in their Gantt, they've clearly shown task B as being dependent on A.
> Then, they went on to leave out fact that that tasks E and D were also
> dependent on task B through the dummy task.
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> I hate to think that my kids lost marks because of these errors by the
> examiners.
> It's too late to re-mark exams, but it really makes me worry that markers
> can be given such dodgy official answers when grading papers.
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> *Grrrrr!*
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